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Author Topic:   The Dangers of Secularism
Brian
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Message 146 of 190 (210228)
05-21-2005 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by robinrohan
05-21-2005 10:43 AM


Re: What is religion?
In Pure Land Buddhism, the followers pray and worship Amitabha, who is a bodhisatvva that has his own 'heaven' or pure land. In this pure land he (and I think another 2 bodhisatvvas)will teach devoted beings how to gain Nirvana.
Apparently, if you know you are dying and say 'Amitabha' ten times, then you go to his Pure Land, called Sukhaviti.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 147 of 190 (210229)
05-21-2005 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by ProfessorR
05-21-2005 8:32 AM


Re: What is religion?
Of course it is, although Buddhists believe neither in God
But they do believe in many gods, however these gods are inferior to humans as it is only as a human that you can follow the dharma.
nor in a supernatural.
I would disagree.
Samsara sounds supernatural to me, as does the various realms of existence, the realm of hungry ghosts for example.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 152 of 190 (210398)
05-22-2005 3:19 PM
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05-21-2005 3:03 PM


Re: What is religion?
Samsara is meant as a discription of our ordinary experience.
Isn't samsara the cycle of birth and rebirth, involving reincarnation? I would consider living many different lives as being supernatural. Siddartha was said to have lived tens of thousands of lives.
I toyed with following madhyamika when I was at uni about ten years ago.
Brian

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Brian
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Message 161 of 190 (210517)
05-23-2005 6:08 AM
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05-22-2005 4:30 PM


Re: What is religion?
Did they assume reincarnation? Reincarnation can be very challenging in Buddhism because the Buddha taught there is no permanent self and this has led to the question of what reincarnates. I think it's possible strip Buddhism of it's popular religious concepts and the core of what is left is natural though not the same as contemporary science sees the natural order. I think the issue is consciousness.
I actually did a presentation on this a few years ago. The talk was on Nagajuna's 'sunyata' (emptiness) and how everything is interdependant, nothing has inherent existence.
The 'anatman' (no self) is an issue within this philosophy and it tackles the question of what is transient from incarnation to incarnation.
The answer is 'consciousness' because Buddhists don't believe that there is a 'soul' to move on. What there is can be described as one long continual existence and each incarnation is a stage within that one existence. It is described as a river that changes constantly but is ultimately still the same river. If I throw a stone into the river, then that river has changed, but it is still the same river.
Needless to say, I only took one Buddhist philosophy unit!
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 168 of 190 (210683)
05-23-2005 4:19 PM
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05-23-2005 11:59 AM


Good example.
Ah, nice example, consider it plagiarised.
Brian

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