Christian Group has bank account removed due to "unacceptable views"

You are right, I was imprecise. Not that you didn't know that, you clever trapper. I mean we can't disallow private SINS, period.

Far from it lfen. What we have seen in the US in the last century is the CORRECTION of previous periods of injustice to such groups, and in the case of the mentally ill there is some question whether forcing them out into the streets was any great blessing to them. (Mental hospitals were originally founded as Christian charities out of compassion for the mentally ill, whatever they may have degenerated into). What we are seeing RIGHT NOW is continued haranguing about rights that have long since been granted, for the purpose of demonizing conservatives, by the Left whose agenda has always been the destruction of the West. They are continuing to succeed and they appear to have your support. Far more. I wouldn't be surprised to see a massive sudden sea change in all that, coming soon. But it's picking up in the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, China, North Korea... Christians violate the Bible in persecuting anyone for heresy, which to my mind makes them non-Christians, but servants of the anti-Christ. As far as Rome goes, Nero did burn Christians as torches to light his gardens, and various Caesars did put them in the arena to be torn to shreds by lions for sport. I did read some of Foxe's Book of Martyrs but it's been a while. Yes, Christians aren't alone in being persecuted but they are consistently persecuted for their beliefs wherever they ARE persecuted. True. And in China the reports are that the Christian population is increasing by thousands per day too - because persecution and martyrdom has always been a catalyst for growth. Some predict that it won't be long before China is 50% Christian. No, it's simply another expression of it. There really are no more legitimate government-level or even public level civil rights issues in the West, except the growing marginalization of Christians in my opinion, but I know that's not going to get any attention soon.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 09:07 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 09:18 PM

What you are describing and Ned and Lfen IS hate, whether you want to call it that or not.What is character assassination, personal depreciation, denigration of personality etc. but hatred?This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 09:22 PM

It was clear that the policy was in force, but CV says they made their program quite clear and were not refused the account on the basis of it, only later dropped despite the previous understanding.

CV says they discussed their work before opening the account, whether that amounts to a Mission Statement or not I wouldn't know. What's slanderous about his repeating what the Bank representative himself acknowledged?

Hatred isn't an emotion as I am using the term, nor do I use the word "love" in that sense either. They are both actions. You have repeatedly depreciated me and bullied me in a personal way and that is hating me. To say you pity me is to say something personal and denigrating and that is hating me. You treat me with disrespect, that's hating me.Interesting how willing you all are to smear me and support each other no matter how abusive any individual gets. Typical mob psychology. Oh, and all men but one against a lone woman. How gallant. How the West has fallen.I have not libeled you. I have drawn logical conclusions from some of your statements to make a point.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 10:27 PM

Yes, perhaps it is the "love of money [that is] the root of all evil" calling the shots there. That would make sense. Can't jeopardize our profits for the paltry purpose of defending God and morality. Same here. So much for "government of the people, by the people, for the people."Hang it all, let the nation come under God's wrath. "Oh but we don't BELIEVE in that." Well, God does, so good luck.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 10:26 PM

I answered this silliness elsewhere but I guess you didn't check the other answers taking advantage of my imprecise wording, which is all it was and you know it.The point is tolerance of SIN. We are to TOLERATE it, as we are all sinners, short of criminal behavior of course, but not CELEBRATE it, FLAUNT it, PROMOTE it. That's the point. I hope it's clear but if I've failed to be as clear as necessary I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out what I meant and help me out here a little.But I suppose many would prefer gay parades to anything that reminds them of Christianity. It's come to that here in the formerly Christian West. SO clever of you. Yes, Schraf, that's going too, isn't it, and I suppose when it's completely outlawed you will dance in the streets along with the guys in the pink feathers. The 6000 years and the universal cultural practice clearly establish the historical purpose of marriage as the protection and support of women and children by men and society. There is no such need, except a manufactured ideology, for any such function for gays. And those 6000 years of crosscultural practice do not justify opposition to interracial marriages, although like the prohibition of interfaith marriages, it seems to me that ought to be a cultural or familial right, short of murdering the participants anyway, or at least the female, as is done in Islam of course. As I said, it's their business. When government changes laws about marriage that becomes my business. I've already made it clear on this thread that I believe business may refuse to serve whomever they please for whatever reason.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 10:50 PM

Want a list of those who agree with me? Start with Christian Voice. That's the point they are making behind their actions that the Co-op bank doesn't like.

Pedestals not required, just basic respect. Not much of that around here. Didn't even see a post by Entomologista, but that's sweet too, two females and half a dozen guys all against me.

I guess there's no talking to someone who won't bother to make basic disctinctions. Smear away, there's no stopping you.

Exactly. That is exactly how the voice of the people gets trampled and elitist fascistic tyranny takes over. All that Western history come to naught. Pile up the evil labels against the people, trash them, smear them, deprive them of a voice-- if you can't get them deprogrammed in a good leftie consciousness-raising program of course -- and bye bye democracy, and you guys just don't get it, do you? Except the majority of the people according to you. You are the one who gave that motive. I'm with Christian Voice in their assessment of the principles of the Co-op. All the rest is fine in the abstract. Up to about forty, forty-five years ago I think -- or maybe only a couple of decades? For a few hundred years back before that. The bank may be long-established but I'm sure you'd be hard-pressed to show that their current morality is long-established. My God is the FORMER God of Western Civilization, the FORMER God of Great Britain for a millennium or so, the FORMER God of the United States from its settling to some forty years ago or so. The God who made the West great. There is no other, and the UK once knew it, America once knew it.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-26-2005 11:18 PM

I apologize to you for calling you stupid. I was severely provoked at the time and you were part of the provocation.

Don't you just get TIRED of the way you twist my meanings to misrepresent me when it would be so easy just to get the point and move on? I know I do.

I apologize for calling you stupid.