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Jazzns
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Message 144 of 300 (227765)
07-30-2005 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
07-30-2005 11:06 AM


Re: Not quite fair CK
Leviticus 24:16
anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 17:2-7
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. 6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.
Ezekiel 23:46-48
46 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.
48 "So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD."
You could still be stoned for rather trivial things even in Jesus's time.
Luke 20:3-5
3 He replied, "I will also ask you a question. Tell me, 4 John's baptismwas it from heaven, or from men?"
5 They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, 'From heaven,' he will ask, 'Why didn't you believe him?' 6But if we say, 'From men,' all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet."
Jesus thinks that stoning is a bad idea in John 8 but they sure as heck were ready to do it.
Even he fled from what seemed to be the standard punishment for blasphemy. in John 8
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Seems to me if I were a quote mining Christian of a particular variety I could find plenty of direct example and command to stone sinners. Of course this is totally out of context but you simply CANNOT use the no true scotsman on this one. Just because there are no stoning terrorists right now in the public interest does not mean that there are not parallels in this situation.

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Jazzns
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Message 147 of 300 (227779)
07-30-2005 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
07-30-2005 10:32 AM


Re: Not quite fair CK
I am sure it can be argued that both an interpretation that holds the audience was to the the reader and the audience to be the Israelites are legitimate. Unless there is something substantive that you can use to show otherwise.

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Jazzns
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Message 149 of 300 (227788)
07-30-2005 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
07-30-2005 12:07 PM


Re: Not quite fair CK
Of course he did. SO when you take the Bible in context it is easy to see that. See my previous post with regards to your one and only correct interpretation about the scriptures.
Please kindly avoid "shouting" in the forum. Caps should be used for specific emphasis. Any other use makes it difficult to read and very hard to respect.

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Jazzns
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Message 289 of 300 (233639)
08-16-2005 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by crashfrog
08-16-2005 7:28 AM


Re: fatwas against violence are good. But who are the innocents?
Crash, CS is just using this thread as his blog to repost frontpagemag articles due to some incessant need to rant about Islam. He cannot make his own blog because no one else would read it except for people who enjoy trash like frontpagemag. I am content to let him just keep posting his garbage until a moderator sees fit to close this piece of shit thread due to atrophy.
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Jazzns
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Message 291 of 300 (233665)
08-16-2005 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by CanadianSteve
08-16-2005 11:22 AM


Re:Regretting the life of this thread
As much as I hate posting into this thread to even give it the semblance of legitimacy, your particular response was absurd.
No where did I say that the opinions of those people were "trash, garbage, shit". Your implication therefore is indicative of your own bias and motive.
I was calling this thread and frontpagemag "trash, garbage, shit" and the lack of enthusiasm of the rest of the forum for your "blog like" treatment of the thread over the past few weeks shows a relative agreement. So stop putting words into my mouth unless you care to further damage the reputation you have so eloquently built so far on EvC. If you have a problem with my rejection of your sickeningly conservative sources then that is fine but do not dare to define my position for me.

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Jazzns
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Message 294 of 300 (233713)
08-16-2005 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by macaroniandcheese
08-16-2005 2:29 PM


You may want to read through the uselessness that is the rest of this thread before you pick up this torch.

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Jazzns
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Message 297 of 300 (233729)
08-16-2005 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by macaroniandcheese
08-16-2005 2:48 PM


Just wondering if you really wanted to get involved in the headache that was this thread. I am kind of on a campaign to let it die. The Admins I am sure can't be biased toward bigotry of opinion but I sure can.

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