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Topic: Does Islam need a Reformation?
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 17 of 300 (226975)
07-28-2005 8:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
07-28-2005 2:01 AM
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Re: Islam's beginnings
Well, it's pretty hard to take a text serious that makes such major mistakes. If the author is a scholar then he is simply a liar.
Christianity made its conquest by peaceful missionaries and the power of persuasion, and carried with it the blessings of home, freedom and civilization. What complete nonsense. Christianity made its conquests by the sword, the rack, the stake, the pillory, deseased blankets, fear and raw power.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Islam's beginnings
Absolutely correct. But as a Christian, I don't believe I can in honesty refuse to try to correct her. I think it is very important to correct false doctrine among people who call themselves Christians, who are only confusing everybody.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 21 of 300 (226988)
07-28-2005 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
07-28-2005 8:54 AM
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Re: Islam's beginnings
Sorry Faith but Hawaii was stolen by Missionaries for personal gain. Indian Children were rounded up and forced into Missionary schools, forced to abandon their culture, heritage and even their language. The South American Codexes were burned by Priests because they were pagan. The Conquests of Constantine were in the name of the Christian God. The Crusades were solely rape and pillage sold in the name of the Christian God. Christianity became the state religion throughout Europe through conquest and pogroms against Jews and other non-believers were constant and continuous. Jewish Ghettos were common throughout Europe until WWII.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 26 of 300 (226994)
07-28-2005 9:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
07-28-2005 9:12 AM
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Re: Islam's beginnings
I'm sorry but once again, that's simply not correct. Rulers ruled by the Divine Right. Christianity. They took the first pass with the pretty bride because they had Divine Right. You were a Christian (often one of only a particular cult) or you were enemy. Protestant killed Catholic, Catholic killed Protestant, both killed the Jew. I'm sorry but Schaff seems like just another Christian Bigot.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 41 of 300 (227017)
07-28-2005 9:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
07-28-2005 9:38 AM
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More nonsense assertions.
Your opinion is irrelevant. The only opinion I expressed was that Schaff is but another Christian bigot.
You are arguing from opinion and assertion and proving nothing. So you assert. How rulers ruled is most certainly on topic. It was by asserting Christian Rights. And your scholar is but another Christian bigot.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 30 by Faith, posted 07-28-2005 9:38 AM | | Faith has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 73 of 300 (227161)
07-28-2005 5:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
07-28-2005 5:04 PM
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Re: More nonsense assertions.
the subject was actually "Does Islam need a Reformation". But relating to conversion, the Christian answer was very simple throughout European history, "Convert or you will be killed and if you convert the wrong way you'll be killed and we may decide to kill you anyway." Throughout history Christianity has been a religion of war and oppression. As Christians we need to acknowledge that. None of the Muslim Conquests even came close to what has been done under Christianity. Islam does not need a Reformation. To even ask the question is pretty silly. There are no Imperial Islamic States. There are a few Islamic terrorists, but then there are many Christian terrorists as well.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 70 by Faith, posted 07-28-2005 5:04 PM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 76 by Faith, posted 07-29-2005 12:33 AM | | jar has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 85 of 300 (227293)
07-29-2005 10:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
07-29-2005 12:33 AM
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Onward Christian Soldiers
Did Christian Rome conquer most of northern Europe? This message has been edited by jar, 07-29-2005 09:19 AM
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 119 of 300 (227700)
07-30-2005 9:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 117 by CK
07-30-2005 9:32 AM
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Not quite fair CK
Fanatics see what they want. They can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Aethist, Hindu, Buddhist or Agnostic.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 120 of 300 (227702)
07-30-2005 9:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
07-30-2005 9:35 AM
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Well, there are commands in the Bible to kill people.
The OT is filled with them. We can start with the command in the Bible to kill anyone who works on the seventh day.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 124 of 300 (227722)
07-30-2005 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
07-30-2005 10:23 AM
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Re: Well, there are commands in the Bible to kill people.
They most certainly are commands to the reader, who do you think they are addressing? And in addition, there are commands in the Bible to kill ALL Blasphemers. Not just kill them but to make it a community affair, get the folk together, lay hands on the head of the Blasphemer and then "Everybody Stone Them!"
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 126 of 300 (227726)
07-30-2005 10:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
07-30-2005 10:26 AM
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Re: Not quite fair CK
The Aethist don't have LITERAL SCRIPTURAL JUSTIFICATION but the Jews and Christians certainly do. Would you like chapter and verse?
You know damn well I can provide them. LOL
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Well, there are commands in the Bible to kill people.
However, the violence of the OT that is commanded is distinct from that of the Koran. It is specific commanded for specific reasons in that specific time only. Please show me the time limit found in Leviticus 24:16-17
16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
17: And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. Please show me the time limit found in Exodus 35:2
2: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 131 of 300 (227732)
07-30-2005 10:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
07-30-2005 10:32 AM
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Re: Not quite fair CK
Well I can show just such general commands. I asked you several times before, but perhaps I need to ask again, have you ever read the Bible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Well, there are commands in the Bible to kill people.
As do most Muslims. Come on CS. Fanatics can pervert any doctrine.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 152 of 300 (227831)
07-30-2005 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Faith
07-30-2005 11:20 AM
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Re: The usual out of context red herring from jar
If you read the posted sections, can you point out where it applies only to Jews? Shall I repost it?
16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death. Have you ever even read the Bible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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