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Tal
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Message 110 of 297 (241094)
09-07-2005 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by jar
09-07-2005 12:54 PM


Re: Reality vs Belief based
We invaded Iraq because leadership believed
Wrong. Everyone believed.
They believed Iraq = 9-11.
Wrong. If so where is your source?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 116 of 297 (241260)
09-08-2005 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by arachnophilia
09-07-2005 9:09 PM


Re: Reality vs Belief based
You are correct. I am wrong.
Let me rephrase.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Not everyone believed he had WMD, just most people in Government(s) with intelligence, including the US.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 118 of 297 (241322)
09-08-2005 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Silent H
09-08-2005 10:09 AM


Re: Reality vs Belief based
Again with this bullshit list.
Yeah, doesn't the truth suck?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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Tal
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Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 142 of 297 (242625)
09-12-2005 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by deerbreh
09-12-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Brown recalled to Washington
Based on what?

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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