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Message 77 of 137 (245524)
09-21-2005 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by New Cat's Eye
09-15-2005 2:13 AM


Re: Free will and foreknowledge
omnipotence and omniscience have nothing to do with each other.
if god created the universe, then god created time as time is a non-constant moving dimension of the universe. if god is outside of time then the future as we call it is no different to him than the distance from houston to columbia is to a god outside of created dimensional space.

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Message 80 of 137 (245531)
09-21-2005 4:19 PM
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09-15-2005 2:37 AM


Re: Fork in the road or Knife?
what is it that people freak out about the lack of free will? of course free will is a myth. so what? sit back and enjoy the ride and try to learn as much as you can. it's about becoming better on the inside, not doing important things.

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Message 82 of 137 (245534)
09-21-2005 4:28 PM
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09-19-2005 1:00 AM


Re: Good Freewill Hunting and the equation
quote:
Originally posted by Phatboy:
Just because God knows who are His sheep..(those who hear His voice) does not mean that He does all the choosing. It is a communion of choice...where He first chose us and we later choose Him.
  • Whosoever is a definite value. Whosoever = the chosen. The many who are invited, apparantly includes everyone EXCEPT those who do not choose.
  • If a person chooses not to believe, I think that they will get one more chance to see the reality of what they have freely rejected. Only after this awareness is anyone truly lost.
  • If God allows us to freely and knowingly (with all information) reject Him, He is no longer responsible for us.
  • um not really. who can resist the call of the almighty?
    Romans
    28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
    sorry. there is no free will. there's no support for it. if you believe the book, the book denies it.
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    Message 89 of 137 (245706)
    09-22-2005 10:08 AM
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    09-22-2005 2:53 AM


    Re: Good Freewill Hunting and the equation
    actually, believing the book makes it easier to deny him.
    which is why i don't believe the book.

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    Message 91 of 137 (245738)
    09-22-2005 12:41 PM
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    09-22-2005 11:47 AM


    Re: Believe It or Not
    the book is useful in as much as it gives a chance to compare your experience with god to that of others. should i change my life and what i think is appropriate because paul says so when he obviously has some demons (in the history sense of the word) which are affecting his opinions? no. he readily admits that his words are his words and not god's. when he says that the scripture is the infallible word of god, he is referring to the law. the torah.

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    Message 94 of 137 (245781)
    09-22-2005 5:06 PM
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    09-22-2005 5:02 PM


    Re: Believe It or Not
    you'd have to ask a jew.

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    Message 105 of 137 (245837)
    09-22-2005 11:03 PM
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    09-22-2005 5:16 PM


    Re: Believe It or Not
    i'm just saying i don't know.

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