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crashfrog

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Message 17 of 137 (243518)
09-14-2005 8:44 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by New Cat's Eye
09-14-2005 8:00 PM

Re: Free will and foreknowledge

But you still choose to go left.

How do you figure?

If I offer you a choice between peach and apple pie, and I have foreknowledge that you're going to chose apple and so I don't even bother to bring a peach pie along, what kind of choice was that?

If the alternate outcome isn't even a possibility, which it can't be because of God's foreknowledge, how can you be said to have choice?

What does it mean, to you, to have choice?

Do you think god can allow himself to not know the future?

If God is outside of time then the future is not the future to God. We see the movie of time as a progression from start to finish, like watching it in a theatre; God sees all the frames of the movie at once.

So I don't see how he can not see your future; to God, it's already in the process of happening.

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crashfrog

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Message 27 of 137 (243721)
09-15-2005 7:31 AM

Reply to: Message 20 by New Cat's Eye
09-15-2005 2:13 AM

Re: Free will and foreknowledge

But if you do bring 2 pies and you do know which one i will choose, that does not stop me from making the choice.

So you say but I have yet to see any argumentation from you in regards to why I should accept your position.

This sounds like you're putting limitations on god.

The limitation is in the universe that God created. God can't make a rock so big he can't lift it; that limitation is not inherent to God but inherent to rocks. Perhaps God is able to do anything whatsoever; but there's a number of things that are not possible to be done within this universe, or to this universe, or about this universe.

When I come to that fork in the road, I decide which way to go, even if god knows which decision i make, i still make the choice.

If God not only knows what you're going to do, but because he is also the creator, created you knowing that that's what you were going to do, God made the choice, not you.

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crashfrog

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Message 38 of 137 (243991)
09-15-2005 11:16 PM

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09-15-2005 4:40 PM

Re: Free will and foreknowledge

This is why I say that you believe in human "wisdom".

That's not a response to my post.

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Message 114 of 137 (246410)
09-25-2005 10:22 PM

Reply to: Message 113 by b b
09-25-2005 9:51 PM

Re: Objective Faith

Everything is evidence of God.

If everything is, nothing is.

No protection now.

When were we ever protected? There's no shortage of disasters, natural or otherwise, in American history.

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