What if God foreknew human reactions?

WTF?

Foreknowledge itself is irrelevant. It's merely an indicator of the nature of the future, and it's the nature of the future that determines if there's choice.
A set future allows for foreknowledge, and doesn't allow for choice; as you only have one option -- to do what you've always done. The future is the same as the past: unchangable. And just as you cannot change what you did yesterday, you cannot change what you will do tomorrow.
An open future doesn't allow for foreknowledge, and does allow for choice.

*sigh*
Can't you follow a line of discussion?The presence or absence of foreknowledge isn't what determines whether there's free will -- it's the nature of the future that determines that. So, taking out foreknowledge doesn't change a thing.Foreknowledge is merely an indicator that the future is set -- it's not the cause. A set future is one that's already been written. An open future doesn't get written -- doesn't become solid -- until it becomes the past.If the future is set, then it's just like the past, which is also set. Just as you cannot change what happened yesterday, you cannot change what will happen tomorrow. What will happen is just as certain as what has happened. You can only have foreknowledge of which path will be taken if the other paths are blocked -- if you cannot take them. If you can take multiple paths, foreknowledge is limited to 'mights'.
If the probability of you taking path X is 100%, all other paths are blocked, as @ 0% probability, they're impossibilities. I was explaining a set future -- not asserting that the future was set. It's a limitation on the future. The future cannot be both open and set.This message has been edited by DominionSeraph, 09-16-2005 01:31 AM

God can know that it's set with it still being open?

Not necessarily.
Inflation magnified the effects of quantum fluctuations. Now if unmagnified quantum fluctuations have no impact on a macroscopic scale, then the universe would be deterministic only after the inflationary period.

Neither is relevant. You can have a future that is deterministic between probabalistic occurrences.
If I'm in the act of throwing a baseball, prior to the baseball leaving my hand, it might be unknowable where it'll land. However, once the ball leaves my hand, its landing spot is perfectly knowable.

Then God could've made that false; so nothing can be said about God.

Doesn't work that way.
Any proposition could have an infinite number of truth values. It could be true. It could be false. It could be both true and false. It could be neither true nor false. It could be both true and false and neither true nor false. It could be neither both true and false nor neither true nor false. It could be both both true and false and neither true nor false and neither both true and false nor neither true nor false. And now I'm lost.
Anyway, that's what you get when you throw the law of noncontradiction out the window.

Which is a law unto itself, so it's self-contradictory.This message has been edited by DominionSeraph, 09-22-2005 05:26 PM

Didn't restore the Davidic Kingdom. No world peace. And he died, so he certainly didn't end death.

Of course. But anything which leaves no evidence is irrelevant.

No, that's just the Messiah that, according to the Tanakh, was promised to the Jews by God.
The 'perfect' messiah would be one that brought me a dragon and a Defiant-class starship; but as nobody thinks that anybody promised that, it's irrelevant. Considering the number of self-proclaimed messiahs that were running around at the time, that ain't exactly a prediction.

My life. No, but the absolute truth is quite often irrelevant.
If the absolute truth is that there are invisible, intangible faeries flying about my head, do I care? Not at all. They don't affect me in any way, so as far as I'm concerned, they're nonexistent.

I lost 2 kitties in 3 weeks to coyotes. That's never happened to me before.
Doesn't mean that God killed them.You fundies try too hard to insert purpose into things.
Shit happens. Deal with it.This message has been edited by DominionSeraph, 09-29-2005 05:01 AM

It doesn't matter now, and that's all I was talking about.
To bring up the faeries again; if they became tangible and started poking me, their existence would become very relevant. But they'd be giving me plenty of evidence that they exist, too.
Same goes for an afterlife. If I die and then find myself in a world where I have my dragon and Defiant-class starship; my afterlife, my dragon, and my starship become relevant. But that's simply because I have evidence for all 3.