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Author Topic:   What if God foreknew human reactions?
DominionSeraph
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Message 129 of 137 (247522)
09-30-2005 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by sidelined
09-29-2005 9:35 AM


sidelined writes:
Of course a perfect illusion would be,by definition, undetectable but so what? An undetectable perfect illusion is reality to those within it.
However the assumption of a god in charge of a perfect illsion shatters both. If we can postulate such a god then the illusion is not perfect hence the god in charge of a perfect illusion is out of a job as well.
Sorry, but an assumption shatters nothing. I can assume that I'm in a holodeck all day long, but if I can't distinguish the illusion from reality, and I can't get to reality, the illusion is perfect.

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DominionSeraph
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Message 135 of 137 (248382)
10-02-2005 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by sidelined
10-01-2005 2:49 AM


sidelined writes:
If you cannot distinguish the illusion from the reality why would you assume there is a holodeck?
Nothing better to do.
sidelined writes:
That you can imagine such means that the effort to afford a perfect illusion can be circumvented and therefore the illusion can no longer be perfect.
Nope. In fact, if the illusion didn't present the concepts necessary to contemplate that it's possibly an illusion, the illusion would be imperfect. It would be obvious to anyone with the required concepts that it's a construct designed to keep its inhabitants in the dark. So, such an illusion is not perfect because there's the potential for an out.
The perfect illusion would be impenatrable to even those with the required concepts. You can think that it might be an illusion, but there's no way to tell if it is.

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