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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I said repent to self: Iano (speaking to self says) "I hate this argumentitive behaviour of mine, I'm going to try harder not to do it on future"
Or I can repent to God "Lord, I hate this behaviour of mine and I'm going to do better in the future" Or I can repent to you "Jar, I hate this behaviour and am going to do better in future (but you'd need an electron microscope to plot the change)"
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
How to absorb the 40 posts left as fast as you can say "not a bad biblical rebuttal from a heathen". Just quote this verse to Ringo
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is that actually correct?
Is not the first example repenting and the other examples confession? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What I'm wondering is if "trying to try" is equivalent to trying.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Ringo writes: The ball is in the back of your goal, as anybody reading this thread can see. You've got less than forty posts to try to get it out of there. I know Ringo, I know. On the ropes, clinging on for dear life. Only 40 posts to go before the end of round 1. Phew Think I'll entitle the next one "If at first you don't succeed folks..." Later dude. Dinner is a getting ready an she don't like it a waiting
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Or I can repent to God "Lord, I hate this behaviour of mine and I'm going to do better in the future"
If I do something bad to my neighbor, then surely I should repent to that neighbor. If I repent to God, but not to the neigbor, then my "repentance" is not real. If I repent to my neighbor, then surely God will recognize that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 Who said robinrohan didn't know his Bible? So, Paul says we are all sinners and Jesus told us to stop being sinners. We're talking before and after here. "Stop doing what you've been doing." It ties in with what jar has been saying about repentence. How is that an impossible task? People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The prayer:
Lord I don't love youI don't even want to love you But I want to want to love you ...springs to mind. Infinite progression will work here If trying then I suppose you would get points for trying to try. Its all trying at the end of the day and some start out further away than others. What do you think as an impartial observer RR. Does trying reek of a God who has all his creation hop, hop hopping to get over the wall. "Come on little ones, just a little higher and you won't get toasted" Ugh...
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Who said robinrohan didn't know his Bible? I got one of them concordances. Is the rule that we have to stick to the words of Jesus?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Is the rule that we have to stick to the words of Jesus? Nope. But He's high card. People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What do you think as an impartial observer RR. What occurred to me was that "trying" might be rather hard to pin down. How do you know if you are really trying? Authority figure: The problem with you is, you're just not trying. Boy: I know, but I'm trying to try. I just can't try. Is the boy trying? Say you're on the job and you're doing your "best," and yet you know you could have done a little more that day if you had just tried. Are you trying?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I think you've got it, robin. Trying, as jar means it, is really hard to do. But iano thinks of trying as something superficial and easy.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Trying, as jar means it, is really hard to do. Keep this in mind, NWR, the next time you catch me off topic. I'm trying to try to try not to get off topic, but I can't seem to try to try. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 11-10-2005 02:50 PM
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I'm trying to try to try not to get off topic, but I can't seem to try to try.
I'm aware of that. I sometimes go off-topic too. It is easy to slip. As I recall, last time I only gave you a gentle nudge, and that was enough to get you back on track. So yes, you really were trying (and I thank you for that). Let's not pursue this any further, lest we drift off-topic here.
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4087 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
Changing the words and so pull 'try' out of the hat is not exactly what I expected I have to ask you: biblically, where do you get the idea that 'do something' means 'trying to do something' I never got that idea, and it's good, I suppose, that you didn't expect me to pull "try" out of the hat, because I didn't. I specifically disagreed with it. See post 248.
But I ask you to deal with do. I didn't mean to change anything. I got "practice" from memory without noticing. At one point, I had most of the NKJV NT memorized from reading it, and so its words come quickly to mind. The NKJV has "practice." I'll be happy to use "does" righteousness, but either way, the tense is the Greek present tense, which is always used on purpose (aorist is the default if you're not trying to indicate linear, continuous, repeated or ongoing action). The person who is righteous in God's sight is the person who is doing righteousness on an ongoing basis. That's what I've been saying all along, so I'll be happy to stick with it. I didn't wiggle any "try" out if it. I rejected try. It's succeeding that shows you have something; fruit proves the tree, not an attempt to produce fruit. So, that out of the way, back to the simple question I already asked, from post 244:
quote: You are welcome to change the word "practice" there [NKJV] to "do" [KJV].
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