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Message 33 of 151 (273971)
12-29-2005 7:37 PM

Reply to: Message 25 by jaywill
12-29-2005 4:04 PM

I hear it said that ID is not scientific because the proponents do not have a clear model of what non-intelligently designed life would look like:

Strawman argument. ID is not scientific because it does not have a falsification test. That means it is just a hypothesis and nothing more.

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Message 37 of 151 (274012)
12-29-2005 9:44 PM

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12-29-2005 9:27 PM

... singularity of the BB ...

You'll have to talk to the physics gurus about the BB, but I believe that one prediction that is made by BB but not by ekpyrosis (an alternate theory) is the existence of gravity waves. None have been detected ... yet.

... alleged randomly mutated biogenetics of alleged evolution ...

Actually genetics was the most recent validation test of evolution -- the actual molecular structure matching to tree of evolution (common descent) was predicted before genetics was even known. If evolution were not the answer then a total unrelated structure could easily have been the case, and if it had, would have invalidated the common descent theory\mechanism.

and there is nothing "alleged" about either when both mutation and evolution have been observed eh?

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Message 45 of 151 (274366)
12-31-2005 9:38 AM

Reply to: Message 43 by jaywill
12-31-2005 7:52 AM

Re: Back on topic

I think Intelligent Design is a reasonable working theory.

Can you state what this "theory" is? And what the falsification test for it is? Just curious, as people seem to have a lot of different definitions.

But when I step back and consider the big picture it is insane to me to surpress the recognition of intelligent design in the mechanisms of nature.

Argument from incredulity.

But I think that there is design in the way my brain, eye, intestines, sexual organs, heart, lungs, stomach, muscles, tongue, etc, etc. work.

Argument from ignorance.

The problem I have with folks like you is that you like score little points on some little amino acid or some protein.

So if we just ignore all the little points scored on every issue that is investigated fully, then we are left with what, ignorance again?

ID either stands up to scrutiny or it is just a sham, a scam, and a flim-flam philosophy, but not a science.

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Message 56 of 151 (274611)
01-01-2006 9:06 AM

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01-01-2006 1:23 AM

Thanks for the insults.

Having a bad day?

You deny a God

ah, nope. the rest of your rant here is irrelevant. I always love it when someone tells me what I believe.

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Argument from incredulity.

Why?

Um, because that's what it is? It's a logical fallacy where the only evidence is a person's personal incredulity. Surely you've seen examples of this! A logical fallacy doesn't mean that it is wrong, just that the argument presented does not have any validity and as such that it is irrelevant to whether or not it is right or wrong.

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Argument from ignorance.

The only one here who is ignorant is you.

Again, this was another logical fallacy as used by Jaywill, where the argument is based on the ignorance of evidence that exists. Again, a logical fallacy doesn't mean that it is wrong, just that the argument presented does not have any validity and as such that it is irrelevant to whether or not it is right or wrong. In this case there is evidence to the contrary, so being ignorant of it while asserting a position that is contradicted by the evidence is rather foolish in a day and age when a little study will provide that information.

Likewise, I could suggest a study of logic and the different fallacies that are most commonly used: it might help you form logical arguments instead of insulting little rants based on ignorance of the forms.

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http://usabig.com/autonomist/fallacies.html
Formal fallacy - Wikipedia

Now if you'll excuse me, I'll turn another cheek.

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Message 67 of 151 (275049)
01-02-2006 4:09 PM

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01-01-2006 7:01 PM

Re: Thanks for the insults.

accepted and reciprocated.

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