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knitrofreak
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Message 44 of 108 (295799)
03-16-2006 12:47 AM


on the creation side...
God created every kind of all the animals at one time, also humans were created then too. So according to the Bible I believe that Adam and Eve and others walked with the dinosaurs. My thought on how they became extinct is when the flood happened.

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knitrofreak
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Message 46 of 108 (295801)
03-16-2006 12:55 AM
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03-16-2006 12:51 AM


Re: Need a decision from you.
hey sorry about that keep the one im using "knitrofreak" and delete the other one
thanks

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knitrofreak
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Message 57 of 108 (296688)
03-20-2006 12:10 AM
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03-17-2006 10:12 PM


Re: on the creation side...
Ok first i havent looked closely at the fossil record but just because they arent in the same layer doesnt meant they didnt die at the same time. I dont believe that the fossil record is in chronological order. Layers could have been shifted up and down to jumble things a bit. Like i said its been a while since i was in biology

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knitrofreak
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Message 64 of 108 (296978)
03-21-2006 12:34 AM


dating dissagreement
Different Dating Techniques Should Consistently Agree but dont.
"In Australia, some wood found the Tertiary basalt was clearly buried in the lava flow that formed the basalt, as can be seen from the charring. The wood was "dated" by radiocarbon (14C) analysis at about 45,000 years old, but the basalt was "dated" by potassium-argon method at 45 million years old![19]"
Also after Mount St Helens Erupted they used some kind of dating to test the rock and it was way off, like 1,000s of yrs old give or take. This really goes to say really how accurate is radiometric dating and other kinds of dateing are.

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knitrofreak
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Message 67 of 108 (297981)
03-25-2006 12:53 AM
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03-20-2006 7:58 AM


Re: on the creation side...
"Feel free to believe that the sun orbits the earth. What you believe is irrelevant to the issue of what the evidence shows."
Exactly. There is no evidence for neo darwinistic evolution.
"This is actually geology and paleontology rather than biology."
I know that. I was refering to what I had learned in Biology about the fossil record. Our school doesnt have alot of class choice

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knitrofreak
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Message 70 of 108 (298384)
03-26-2006 5:46 PM
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03-26-2006 11:27 AM


Re: on the creation side...
Yes thanks for saying that. I guess I shouldnt be so dogmatic about there isnt evidence for evolution even though I still dont believe it. Just because they say it it in Scientific Journals doenst make it true. In my biology textbook last year they were putting lots of things that have been proven untrue.
I was just saying there is no evidence that one animal turned completely into another. Scientists have been bombarding fruit flys with radiation for years and what do they get. A different type of fly or insect? NO just more mutatated messed up fruit flys.

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knitrofreak
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Message 71 of 108 (298389)
03-26-2006 5:59 PM


Searching Questions for Evolutionists
Do You Believe that Evolution is True?
If so, then provide an answer to the following questions. "Evolution" in this context is the idea that natural, undirected processes are sufficient to account for the existence of all natural things.
1. Something from nothing?
The "Big Bang", the most widely accepted theory of the beginning of the universe, states that everything developed from a small dense cloud of subatomic particles and radiation which exploded, forming hydrogen (and some helium) gas. Where did this energy/matter come from? How reasonable is it to assume it came into being from nothing? And even if it did come into being, what would cause it to explode?
We know from common experience that explosions are destructive and lead to disorder. How reasonable is it to assume that a "big bang" explosion produced the opposite effect - increasing "information", order and the formation of useful structures, such as stars and planets, and eventually people?
2. Physical laws an accident?
We know the universe is governed by several fundamental physical laws, such as electromagnetic forces, gravity, conservation of mass and energy, etc. The activities of our universe depend upon these principles like a computer program depends upon the existence of computer hardware with an instruction set. How reasonable is it to say that these great controlling principles developed by accident?
3. Order from disorder?
The Second Law of Thermodynamics may be the most verified law of science. It states that systems become more disordered over time, unless energy is supplied and directed to create order. Evolutionists says that the opposite has taken place - that order increased over time, without any directed energy. How can this be?
ASIDE: Evolutionists commonly object that the Second Law applies to closed, or isolated systems, and that the Earth is certainly not a closed system (it gets lots of raw energy from the Sun, for example). However, all systems, whether open or closed, tend to deteriorate. For example, living organisms are open systems but they all decay and die. Also, the universe in total is a closed system. To say that the chaos of the big bang has transformed itself into the human brain with its 120 trillion connections is a clear violation of the Second Law.
We should also point out that the availability of raw energy to a system is a necessary but far from sufficient condition for a local decrease in entropy to occur. Certainly the application of a blow torch to bicycle parts will not result in a bicycle being assembled - only the careful application of directed energy will, such as from the hands of a person following a plan. The presence of energy from the Sun does NOT solve the evolutionist's problem of how increasing order could occur on the Earth, contrary to the Second Law.
4. Information from Randomness?
Information theory states that "information" never arises out of randomness or chance events. Our human experience verifies this every day. How can the origin of the tremendous increase in information from simple organisms up to man be accounted for? Information is always introduced from the outside. It is impossible for natural processes to produce their own actual information, or meaning, which is what evolutionists claim has happened. Random typing might produce the string "dog", but it only means something to an intelligent observer who has applied a definition to this sequence of letters. The generation of information always requires intelligence, yet evolution claims that no intelligence was involved in the ultimate formation of a human being whose many systems contain vast amounts of information.
5. Life from dead chemicals?
Evolutionists claim that life formed from non-life (dead chemicals), so-called "abiogenesis", even though it is a biological law ("biogenesis") that life only comes from life. The probability of the simplest imaginable replicating system forming by itself from non-living chemicals has been calculated to be so very small as to be essentially zero - much less than one chance in the number of electron-sized particles that could fit in the entire visible universe! Given these odds, is it reasonable to believe that life formed itself?
6. Complex DNA and RNA by chance?
The continued existence (the reproduction) of a cell requires both DNA (the "plan") and RNA (the "copy mechanism"), both of which are tremendously complex. How reasonable is it to believe that these two co-dependent necessities came into existence by chance at exactly the same time?
7. Life is complex.
We know and appreciate the tremendous amount of intelligent design and planning that went into landing a man on the moon. Yet the complexity of this task pales in comparison to the complexity of even the simplest life form. How reasonable is it to believe that purely natural processes, with no designer, no intelligence, and no plan, produced a human being.
8. Where are the transitional fossils?
If evolution has taken place our museums should be overflowing with the skeletons of countless transitional forms. Yet after over one hundred years of intense searching only a small number of transitional candidates are touted as proof of evolution. If evolution has really taken place, where are the transitional forms? And why does the fossil record actually show all species first appearing fully formed, with most nearly identical to current instances of the species?
ASIDE: Most of the examples touted by evolutionists concentrate on just one feature of the anatomy, like a particular bone or the skull. A true transitional fossil should be intermediate in many if not all aspects. The next time someone shows you how this bone changed over time, ask them about the rest of the creature too!
Many evolutionists still like to believe in the "scarcity" of the fossil record. Yet simple statistics will show that given you have found a number of fossil instances of a creature, the chances that you have missed every one of its imagined predecessors is very small. Consider the trilobites for example. These fossils are so common you can buy one for under $20, yet no fossils of a predecessor have been found!.
9. Could an intermediate even survive?
Evolution requires the transition from one kind to another to be gradual. And don't forget that "natural selection" is supposed to retain those individuals which have developed an advantage of some sort. How could an animal intermediate between one kind and another even survive (and why would it ever be selected for), when it would not be well-suited to either its old environment or its new environment? Can you even imagine a possible sequence of small changes which takes a creature from one kind to another, all the while keeping it not only alive, but improved?
ASIDE: Certainly a "light-sensitive spot" is better than no vision at all. But why would such a spot even develop? (evolutionists like to take this for granted). And even if it did develop, to believe that mutations of such a spot eventually brought about the tremendous complexities of the human eye strains all common sense and experience.
10. Reproduction without reproduction?
A main tenet of evolution is the idea that things develop by an (unguided) series of small changes, caused by mutations, which are "selected" for, keeping the "better" changes" over a very long period of time. How could the ability to reproduce evolve, without the ability to reproduce? Can you even imagine a theoretical scenario which would allow this to happen? And why would evolution produce two sexes, many times over? Asexual reproduction would seem to be more likely and efficient!
ASIDE: To relegate the question of reproduction to "abiogenesis" does NOT address the problem. To assume existing, reproducing life for the principles of evolution to work on is a HUGE assumption which is seldom focused on in popular discussions.
11. Plants without photosynthesis?
The process of photosynthesis in plants is very complex. How could the first plant survive unless it already possessed this remarkable capability?
12. How do you explain symbiotic relationships?
There are many examples of plants and animals which have a "symbiotic" relationship (they need each other to survive). How can evolution explain this?
13. It's no good unless it's complete.
We know from everyday experience that an item is not generally useful until it is complete, whether it be a car, a cake, or a computer program. Why would natural selection start to make an eye, or an ear, or a wing (or anything else) when this item would not benefit the animal until it was completed?
ASIDE: Note that even a "light-sensitive spot" or the simplest version of any feature is far from a "one-jump" change that is trivial to produce.
14. Explain metamorphosis!
How can evolution explain the metamorphosis of the butterfly? Once the caterpillar evolves into the "mass of jelly" (out of which the butterfly comes), wouldn't it appear to be "stuck"?
15. It should be easy to show evolution.
If evolution is the grand mechanism that has produced all natural things from a simple gas, surely this mechanism must be easily seen. It should be possible to prove its existence in a matter of weeks or days, if not hours. Yet scientists have been bombarding countless generations of fruit flies with radiation for several decades in order to show evolution in action and still have only produced ... more (deformed) fruit flies. How reasonable is it to believe that evolution is a fact when even the simplest of experiments has not been able to document it?
ASIDE: The artificial creation of a new species is far too small of a change to prove that true "macro-evolution" is possible. A higher-order change, where the information content of the organism has been increased should be showable and is not. Developing a new species changes the existing information, but does not add new information, such as would be needed for a new organ, for example.
16. Complex things require intelligent design folks!
People are intelligent. If a team of engineers were to one day design a robot which could cross all types of terrain, could dig large holes, could carry several times its weight, found its own energy sources, could make more robots like itself, and was only 1/8 of an inch tall, we would marvel at this achievement. All of our life's experiences lead us to know that such a robot could never come about by accident, or assemble itself by chance, even if all of the parts were available laying next to each other. And we are certain beyond doubt that a canister of hydrogen gas, no matter how long we left it there or what type of raw energy we might apply to it, would never result in such a robot being produced. But we already have such a "robot" - it is called an "ant", and we squash them because they are "nothing" compared to people. And God made them, and he made us. Can there be any other explanation?

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knitrofreak
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Message 80 of 108 (298500)
03-27-2006 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by knitrofreak
03-26-2006 5:59 PM


Re: Searching Questions for Evolutionists
WELL EXCUSE ME!!!!
here is the site I got the information from. Its great stuff and will test what you believe.
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knitrofreak
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Message 81 of 108 (298502)
03-27-2006 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by RAZD
03-26-2006 9:54 PM


Re: on the creation side... nothing.
"Of course not. But when {experiments\predictions\results} are {validated\repeated\confirmed} by other scientists then it becomes rather impertinent to hand-wave the results away, especially without doing any studies that show how the results are wrong. This is what the scientific process is about -- eliminating mistakes step by step as more information is aquired."
Ok so tell me how evolution can be repeated if it takes such a long time to happen or so fast you cant see it(puncutated equillibrium). Evolution does not fall in the the science category: repeatable, testable or observable.
I would also like to apoligize for some of the statements that I have made. I would like to start fresh and forget all I said and try to have more EVIDENCE because YES that is what determines this stuff. Guys just forgive me or leave it. I would appreciate it!
Thanks

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knitrofreak
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Message 86 of 108 (298839)
03-27-2006 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by ramoss
03-27-2006 12:59 PM


Re: Searching Questions for Evolutionists
just the same i think evolution is a fallacy that may seem logical to those who want to make them not responsible to a higher power they may need to answer to. but thats off topic as ive well been told.

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knitrofreak
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Message 89 of 108 (298848)
03-27-2006 10:23 PM
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03-27-2006 9:06 PM


Re: Fine but still wrong.
are you a christian?
also there are many sects that have formed and they arent all true christians they dont believe the same. Let me just say that true christians DO NOT believe in evolution that changes one animal to another type. I do know that there is an evolution that exists. I need to research it more
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knitrofreak
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Message 92 of 108 (298856)
03-27-2006 10:45 PM
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03-27-2006 10:27 PM


Re: Fine but still OFFTOPIC.
k sorry. I wish there was an all purpose forum for evolution creation

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knitrofreak
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Message 93 of 108 (298857)
03-27-2006 10:48 PM
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03-27-2006 10:45 PM


Re: Fine but still wrong.
i find it extremely interesting that you can belive in God and evolution. They dont even coencide

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