What does Logos mean?

Saddly i think its also related to the translater but more so having to do with logos having gnostic meanings - as john is very gnostic, the church wanting to have nothing to do with gnostism would try to erase all links to itsome people would argue agenst this but well, they have been taught that gnostism is bad or something, i guess

with the way greek is limited they did the best they could, though the words have shades to the words that greek doesn't express yes because a guy who was born of a virgin and was the son of god is the messiah, faith do you even know what the jewish messiah was expected to be at all? saying this unsupported nonsense shows you have no clue, if you did you wouldn't claim they changed it. do you have any evidence people did such a thing faith? or are you just making unsupported claims now
if you have a clue what the messiah was for the jews you wouldn't keep saying this

because you say thier is some alteration in peoples belief, without any evidence Faith, this is all christian belief not jewish belief, do you really think it holds more impact pointing out they used the OT to justify thier beliefs? all of the passages used to show evidince of messiahhood are wrong according to jewish belief any evidence of this claim? not according to the OT if you are a jew

No we are arguing with you, and you need to chill out, and no its not all taught for 2000 years. dogma is not history

Now that i did a further bit of research i found that yes it was used by gnostic sects and it is thought to be written by a gnostic in egypt at one pointGospel of John - Wikipedia - general source but answers questions
interesting how much it differs from the others in quite a few waysfrom Gospel of John at the bottom so main stream may view it as anti-gnostic but thats purely because later they viewed them as heretics so any links would be considered wrong

Just to reply i wasn't talking about the word useage but the claim that they suddenly decided "Hey we don't trust/like/believe in jesus so we are going to alter our beliefs so he isn't messiah, even though the beliefs never changedif you want to make sweeping claims that there was a compiricy to change what the jews believed, solely becuase of jesus then you have to find anything with evidence

I wasn't even talking about almah, i think she eather didn't understand me or decided to bring it up, i was contesting that the jewish people altered thier writings solely to deny jesus messiahship, i was asking for evidence that anyone would do thisthe writings that talk about messiahship deny jesus, without altering it{abe:i will further try not to derail so much but faith needs to stop posting unsupported stuff }This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 04-23-2006 04:43 PM

At the time i was in a hurry when i posted the links, but i think i'm going to dig deeper and see whats what, you maybe right in that some of the things on the site may be a bit questionable Thats the problem with tradition in the churchs, sometimes it bears little resemblence to the real history of the church attributing something to someone, who of themselves really couldn't write or read very well brings in to question as to whether they wrote what they are claimed to have written (that goes for most anything really) like the hacked up texts of titus and josphus i think if the information was found later and not earlier it was added to reinforce an idea just remember not everyone believed gnostism was herecy, maybe even in the church maybe they thought it would destroy any conversions to gnostism if they edited it, who could say the motiveThis message has been edited by ReverendDG, 04-24-2006 03:11 AM