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Phat
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Message 27 of 74 (306067)
04-23-2006 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by truthlover
04-22-2006 3:20 PM


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DeclineToState writes:
The Greek word translated "Word" in John 1:1 is logos. Note that contrary to the old adage that "the Greeks had a word for it" (e.g., three or four totally different words for "love," in the same way the Eskimos have several entirely different words or root words for "snow"), logos, like many Hebrew and Latin words, stood for a variety of concepts that, at least to my mind, had only a nebulous connection to one another.
Given that that is the case, is there any justification for translating logos as "Word" rather than one of the other meanings alluded to by Wikipedia?
truthlover writes:
The gnostics divided up light, wisdom, word, christ, etc. into several beings called aeons. John ties all those words together into Yeshua, saying he is the Word, the Light, the Life, the Way, etc.
Since those who were noted as John's disciples (Ignatius, Polycarp) also seem to be the ones who are most remembered as opposing gnosticism, I'd say this theory of Irenaeus is on good ground.

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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Phat
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Message 32 of 74 (306117)
04-23-2006 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by ReverendDG
04-23-2006 10:44 AM


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RevDG writes:
so main stream may view it as anti-gnostic but thats purely because later they viewed them as heretics so any links would be considered wrong
Main stream had their reasons. Some would say that the prevailing views of the church were political and based on power and human fallibility. Others, such as myself, tend to view the anti-gnostic stance as quite orthodox and proper.
Regardless of who actually wrote John, the issue as I see it is the spirit and meaning behind the words.
I have always seen it as two basic flows....
either God directly inspired the authors--whomever they may have been--with His Spirit....
Or.
Man thought himself inspired by God and wrote entirely from a human perspective.
Did the word exist before people could even form words? Thats what I believe, and most of the mainstream would agree with me. Humanities later attempts to raise up through human wisdom were the heretical efforts of a fallible society. IMHO, anyway!

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