Does God = Allah

Please quote me a "miracle" that is "reported in the Qu'ran?" I'm unaware of one.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 01:53 PM

This is very odd. If "Allah" were merely a word that means "God" then Muslims would use the word in whatever language they use that means "God" instead of "Allah." But they always say "Allah" no matter where they live or what their main language is.Islam also claims to respect the Bible, Jesus etc., but they change everything in the Bible including the Name of God given by God Himself, and they refuse to recognize that Jesus is the Son of God.

I believe you have your logic wrong. It is not true that if you are wrong then Islam is the true religion. You can both be wrong.

Demons lie, that's their job. They like to appear as angels or "gods" and mislead people. Again, what "events in the Qu'ran" are you talking about? Have you read it? The Qu'ran, unlike the Bible, is not a book about history, or about events. It's predominantly a book of instructions to Muslims. There are no miracles in the Qu'ran that I know of unless there are a few that were plagiarized from the Bible, as the Qu'ran does include some parts of the Bible, usually altered. Otherwise there is mention of a few historical battles from Mohammed's efforts to force his religion on people. Why doubt those? They appear to be true enough.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 02:05 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 02:06 PM

It has become the generic term, but it was originally the name of a minor god at Mecca, the Moon God. Also, if it is not a name, then why do English-speaking Muslims say "Allah" instead of "God?"

They can't be. They do not teach the same thing and they do not have the same name and one is the Father of the Son of God and the other is specifically said to have no son. Yes they claim this but they also specifically deny what Jews and Christians believe about God so their claim is empty. They weren't purely revelations. Some of the Qu'ran includes reports on battles of Mohammed's and ideas Mohammed himself added to the text, and passages from the Bible, changed in various ways. But otherwise yes, some amount of the text was given to Mohammed by an entity he called "Gabriel."

Creavolution has a very strange notion that to say parts of the Qu'ran were given by a demon makes it "authentic" or makes its content true. Very odd idea. Demons lie, that's their job.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 02:23 PM

Actually, there was some of both. I didn't "rule out" anything. You are using the word "truth" in a very strange way. I certainly do not consider the Qu'ran to be truth, and certainly anything inspired by a demon is by definition not truth. You are not making sense. Can you clear up your language? There ARE no supernatural events in the Qu'ran that I know of, Creavolution. You are not thinking of such events because they don't exist in the Qu'ran -- unless, as I said, they were copied from the Bible. ALL you are talking about in your very confused way is where the teachings in the Qu'ran came from. If any of it came from some supernatural entity you seem to have the erroneous idea that that makes them "true," which is far from the case.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 02:30 PM

My comments have been straightforward and not snide at all, a matter of straight facts. You are confused. Is that "snide?" I don't think so. It is straight fact. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Yes I believe it happened {abe: and I said so clearly on the other thread you quoted from so I don't understand your question. You seem to think that if Mohammed actually heard from a demon that makes the Koran "true." Well, it was "truly inspired by a lying demon" I guess you could say, or "it was the authentic false teaching of a demon." I have been having trouble with your terminology. "Truth" simply cannot describe the teachings of a demon. }I do not believe it was an invention.Such things have happened a lot in America even, many in the seventies for instance, many similar impartations of false teachings to various people by demons, such as the Seth Books for instance, and A Course in Miracles and some others I can't remember the name of. Joseph Smith apparently had a similar encounter with a demon that called itself an angel named "Moroni." I'll see if I can find more examples.No I do not believe it is ALL that happened. I think Mohammed added stuff of his own.The difference between an angel and a demon is the difference between truth and lies.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 02:46 PM

I'm sorry if you feel I've been insulting you by saying you are confused but I've been having a hard time understanding what you are getting at. I think maybe I'm starting to get it better. There are instructions at the sites linked alongside the Reply to Message box, but I always just copy and paste the address at the top of the page for any post I want to link. I guess you think this is an "event in the Qu'ran?" The confusion here is apparently that you think the report of Mohammed's talking to Gabriel is IN THE KORAN. I do not believe it is in the Koran. It is something that is believed ABOUT the Koran.Again, Mohammed's encounter with "Gabriel" is NOT in the Qu'ran as far as I know. I haven't read all of it but quite a bit of it.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 03:10 PM

In my opinion everybody in the entire world is deluded, not just the Muslims. Fortunately God sent Jesus Christ. That's your only chance.I've shown you why they can't be equally valid. At best it's one or the other. If you think they are equally valid it's because you are refusing to think about it.

Yes I guess it was supernatural but it is NOT IN THE QU'RAN!!!!! You are using terms wrongly. That is what I mean by "confused." It is not a personal insult. Try to learn something instead of getting all insulted. You apparently have not read the Qu'ran and do not know that Mohammed's meeting with an "angel" is not in it, for starters, but you have continued to ask questions as if that were the case. This is simply confusing. Your opening post suggests that a Christian could consider Islam to be "truth." This cannot be the case. It turns out all you mean is that some of us may believe that Mohammed actually talked to a supernatural entity. "Truth" is usually used to apply to the teachings of the religion. No, not simple, very confused. Your statement that I "accept the Qu'ran as being truthful" is confused to the max. You have something extremely confused to say such a thing.Again, the Qu'ran does NOT say that Mohammed met with an angel. The Qu'ran says nothing whatever about this supposed event.Also, even a lying demon says some true things, many perhaps, but my believing that much is not the same as my "accepting that the Qu'ran is truthful." You are misusing the terms. Anyway, in the case of the Qu'ran it's all teachings, it's not about facts that could be challenged as true or false in themselves -- except where it misquotes the Bible. It is not an attack in either direction. It is simply that you are saying false or confused things and I don't know how to correct you without insulting you.

If you say "in the Qu'ran" and MEAN "a belief held by Islam" you are misusing language and confusing your reader. Islam believes many things outside the Qu'ran. Well you expressed yourself very confusingly in the effort to ask such a simple question.I believe as far as this simple question goes, I answered it well enough on the other thread. I do not understand why you felt it needed a new thread.Yes I believe Mohammed spoke to a supernatural entity.
No this information is not in the Qu'ran.
No I do not believe it was the angel Gabriel because this entity contradicts the angel Gabriel in the Bible.What question remains?

Why?1) I tend to believe people are telling the truth about such events although they misinterpret them.2) I know such things happen from many other similar incidents in history.3) I believe it accounts for the untruths of the Qu'ran that he couldn't have dreamed up himself. Demons specialize in contradicting the Bible in particular.Please do not say demon/angel as if the two were equivalent. You confuse things that way. A true angel comes from God and never lies. Demons are fallen angels who are committed to misleading human beings and keeping them in bondage to their master Satan.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-26-2006 03:50 PM

Jews and Christians believe that Isaac was God's chosen successor to Abraham.
Islam believes Ishmael the son of the bondswoman was Abraham's successor.
Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Islam believes that God has no son.As I said, they "...specifically deny what Jews and Christians believe" as I've just shown.How can you "disagree" with this? Such basic contradictions show that Islam is an entirely different religion.