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riVeRraT
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Message 15 of 134 (307815)
04-29-2006 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ohnhai
04-26-2006 8:21 PM


I love it
Kudos to the "Ways of the Master"
They expose people who believe in what they believe in for wrong reasons. Many people go through the education system, and they leave you no choice but not to believe in God. They don't even fully understand why. To me these kind of Atheist are no better than the green miracle rag.
They bring people to their own conviction to what they know in their heart to be wrong. The Holy Spirit works in them to let them know the truth.
The Atheist in the interview admits to living a good life, and thinks that will get him into heaven. Just like people who believe in "the greater good".
Letting people know where all this comes from is not a bad thing. Condenming them to hell is a bad thing. That is why I stray away from if you believe in Jesus deal. I do not like when people say you must believe to go to heaven.
But I do not think that any of it was staged. I look into the eyes of the people they are talking too, and you can see the gospel at work in teir hearts.
I especially love when people will not call themsleves a liar. What's the big deal? You are what you are. If you believe in science, and you hold a rock in your hand, it's a rock. If you tell a lie, your a liar. Why is it so hard to admit? Your athiest, logical thinker, and full of knowledge, why does the truth become so hard to say?
I don't know about the whole banana thing, but over all it is a good show. I have used it on telemarketers, and it works wonders. It's a direct and short method to preach the gospel using your own conviction that comes from the Holy Spirit.
Yea, we can look around at the world, and only believe in what is measurable and tangable, but what is in your heart, and known as subjective is measurable too. From an objective mind comes subjective thoughts, all by accident.

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riVeRraT
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Message 29 of 134 (308024)
04-30-2006 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Modulous
04-30-2006 2:39 AM


Re: I love it
Heh, I guess the lesson of the day is that it's easier to convince people who accept what they are told without investigation
They believed what they learned in school.

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riVeRraT
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Message 30 of 134 (308025)
04-30-2006 6:33 PM
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04-30-2006 7:17 AM


Re: I love it
I would think that calling somebody a liar is pretty much a childish accusation.
The people are accusing themselves.
It's the adulterer part that frightens me. This amounts to saying that being a hetrosexual guy with a healthy sex drive is wrong/a sin.
It is a sin, according to the bible, we are all sinners, saved by Jesus.

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riVeRraT
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Message 31 of 134 (308029)
04-30-2006 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by kalimero
04-30-2006 10:34 AM


Re: I love it
So its either getting an education or beleiving in God?
Did you deduce that all on your own?
Interesting,
1. I never know one can see another persons heart through his eyes.
2. Even if you could how would you know what you were seeing?
3. I never knew that the gospel (whatever that is) can repair cardial muscles.
It's silly to debate this. You knew exactly what I was talking about. You use it in your own life.
If they did, would you beleive them?
I may be going out on a limb here, but I bet you everyone has lied at some point in their lives.
What's the big deal? You are what you are.
Wow...really?
Yes, really. If you live by logic thinking, and tangeble evidences, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?
So for those who dont beleive in science, its not a rock?
I believe in science, I believe it is from God. I also believe in God. The bible says if we do not worship God, the rocks will. So to me, it is more than just a rock, it is the beauty of creation. A deeper interpretation, that involves the subjective, that separates me from someone who doesn't believe in God.
Not true,
lie (see verb) Lie Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
liar (noun) Liar Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
If I wright then I'm a wrighter?
If I run then I'm a runner?
ext...
OMG dude, in all your wit you couldn't figure this one out?
God is not concerned with time. He will look back on the events that took place in your life, and judge them real time. Liar.
Is it a 'good show' because it 'works wonders'?
Shallow.

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riVeRraT
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Message 39 of 134 (308178)
05-01-2006 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Modulous
05-01-2006 6:04 AM


Re: its easy to convert a person that believes whatever you say
I wonder if they interview people who know what they are talking about? Do they just neglect to show those? Is that a form of dishonesty?
I would like to see that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 40 of 134 (308179)
05-01-2006 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by ohnhai
04-30-2006 7:00 PM


Re: I love it
and conversely if you live by myth and non existant evidence, then why not just admit what you are, whats the big deal?
The events recorded in the NT are pretty rock solid.
Non existant evidence? I think not. I have evidence, plenty of it. It is just subjective, bordering on the objective.
But yea, I believe by faith, no problem.

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riVeRraT
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Message 41 of 134 (308180)
05-01-2006 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by sidelined
04-30-2006 10:28 PM


Re: I love it
So God gives people a healthy sex drive and then he makes the sex drive a sin? Nice gig if you can get it.
Are you saying that everything that feels good should not be a sin?

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riVeRraT
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Message 47 of 134 (308393)
05-02-2006 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Omnivorous
05-01-2006 10:53 AM


Re: I love it
If something feels good and does no harm to others, why should it be a sin?
I shouldn't have implied that sexual desires are a sin, they are not.
It's what you want in your heart, like lusting after a woman. It can be harmful to you, and your wife, if your married.
For a long time I was under the impression that looking at porn is harmless. But I found out that it does affect how I treat woman. That's one example.
It has nothing to do with morals, it is just life. Everything has a cause and effect.

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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 134 (308394)
05-02-2006 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by ohnhai
05-01-2006 11:34 AM


Re: I love it
Ok, Spock.

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riVeRraT
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Message 49 of 134 (308395)
05-02-2006 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by EZscience
05-01-2006 12:55 PM


Re: I love it
I am almost scared to ask about your 'evidence'.
But if it is 'subjective', then it's not very good evidence, is it?
Good evidence stands up to objective analysis.
'Bordering on objective' just doesn't cut it.
Every single bit of evidence you see in life, whether objective, or subjective is viewed through our puny little subjective minds.
Prove love.

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riVeRraT
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Message 52 of 134 (308409)
05-02-2006 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by EZscience
05-02-2006 6:51 AM


Re: I love it
I would say that some evidence is much better than other evidence
What knowledge qualifies that?
some minds are far less objective and far more puny than others.
Do you know how difficult it is do be simple?
Don't kid yourself, and think that people who believe in God have puny minds. You seem to be putting yourself on some kind of platter, or pedestal. It will hurt when you fall from there.
Surely this is not logical, or scientific thinking. One must remain open to all possibilities. I got something coming up for all you "logical thinkers".

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riVeRraT
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Message 55 of 134 (308885)
05-03-2006 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by EZscience
05-02-2006 7:55 AM


Re: I love it
Common sense.
Haha, common sense is subjective.
The idea that a banana was designed by God for man's use, for example.
Pathetically implausible enough to be downright humorous for anyone with a bigger-than-shoe-size IQ.
Science may not have all the answers but it can quickly eliminate a lot of ridiculous possibilities that are not worth considering.
You'll be sent to hell for saying that, and when you get there, you'll be stuck in a room full of bananas.
just kidding.
But seriously, can you prove it's not true?
We're on the edge of our chairs...
Haha, you think your logical?

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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 134 (309321)
05-05-2006 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by NosyNed
05-03-2006 8:12 PM


Re: The banana's Designer is known.
RR, you really shouldn't try to defend that film. It us utterly stupid from start to finish. It is really quite wonderfully so.
I am not defending the film. I am just pointing out how some of the people that they interview think, and why they think that way. Why they have no clue about the gospel.

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riVeRraT
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Message 64 of 134 (309887)
05-07-2006 12:11 AM
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05-05-2006 10:48 AM


Re: The banana's Designer is known.
message 15
quote:
I don't know about the whole banana thing, but over all it is a good show.

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riVeRraT
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Message 67 of 134 (309901)
05-07-2006 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by NosyNed
05-07-2006 12:25 AM


Re: A good show
I like the show because of the many points it brings out, and the interviews. I really don't think they are staged, because I have used "the ways of the master" and I get exactly the same responses on the streets, and with telemarketers. Try it yourself, it's easy.
It makes people aware of the gospel, and what it means. It brings to light the gift that God gave us and sending his son.
I do not appreciate (now because of EVC) people who mix preaching with science, or creation science. I do not think that science has a place in the gospel.
It's the gospel in a nutshell, in 3 minutes or less, and it works. Not because it's some fancy trick to undermine the unintelligent, but because the gospel itself is real, and it is powerful.
To let people know they can get into heaven by just knowing Jesus, is a breath of fresh air. Especially for people who don't have a clue.
Try this experiment.
Ask people who believe in God to explain the gospel of Jesus Christ in a few words, and see what happens.
Also ask catholics, or people that believe in the trinity what the Holy Spirit is.
I bet you 90% can't answer effectively or incorrectly.

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