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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Well, some content was probably lost in trying (unsuccessfully) to help you understand the concept...
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Does this mean that you want to bail out on transitional fossils? I guess I can see why you'd want to change the subject and avoid further embarassment. Better just to ignore the data, eh?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Well, maybe that has to do with your starting material. We were simply pointing out that evolution explains the fossil record that we know about. Creationism does not.
quote: We have features showing a transition from reptile to bird. We also pointed out that some have classified it as a reptile in the past. If this was the case, why is/was there confusion as to its classification? You have studiously avoided these questions and simply declared them 'unworthy.' LOL! That's convenient for you. I think I'll remember that one, PB.
quote: You have been given some of the evidence, and have chosen to ignore it without an explanation. Why should we bother proceeding?
quote: You mean you are proud of your ignorance of the fossil record?
quote: I don't know what game you are talking about. I am talking about your vacuous definition of transitional fossils.
quote: This has been done. You have not responded. I am not going to go back on a wild goose chase and dredge up old posts meant for you.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Really? You think that creationists will disagree with me? And just what 'scientific alternative' will they present to us? I haven't heard one yet. Are you talking about something like the multiple surge, fast-slow, violent-gentle, wet-dry, rapidly-slowly depostion model of TC and TB? The same one they both say has some serious problems? Or are you talking about Baumgardner's catastrophic plate tectonics model that sterilized the earth 4000 years ago? This is the type of model that is usually presented by creationists.
quote: Maybe they just wanted their kids to go to college. Why should the dinosaurs have a purpose? Why do you anthropomorphize?
quote: Another meaningful statement from PB. Nevertheless, we all have some features in common with both birds and reptiles... Just why is that?
quote: But why was there confusion? Why was archie confused with a reptile? Could it be that it is a transitional form?
quote: Yeah, I know what you mean. The 'dust on the moon' argument makes my eyes glaze over.
quote: Really? Once again, your logic astounds me. Since it is neither do you think it could be a transitioanl form?
quote: Okay, just what would platypus be transitional from and to? You logic falls down here.
quote: BS. You have already decided. Your many earlier statements make this clear.
quote: I am not a biologist, so I cannot judge your evidence, though I trust others here who are more knowledgable than I. However, your fossil discussion has provided no evidence at all, much less compelling evidence. And I don't even require 'beyond any doubt' type of evidence. I'm easy to please.
quote: Oh great! Sure. Providing compelling evidence to an absolutist is impossible. THanks for the task!
quote: This has all been done in the literature. Perhaps you have missed it.
quote: Well, I don't feel myself to be an elementary school teacher. You will need to figure this out on your own.
quote: That doesn't surprise me.
quote: Well, there's your problem. You only know the cartoon version of evolution presented to you by professional creationists. Try reading some mainstream literature.
quote: But a paleontological necessity. There is no other viable way of explaining the fossil record.
quote: I will leave this to others to refute. As far as I know this board is not about NRMism vs creationism.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
DBlevins,
Welcome aboard. Hope you have some fun here.
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Non sequitur, Peter. Did you want to start a new thread? Or is this dodge just your way of saying that you won't give us a definion, brillian or otherwise?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Double post eliminated.
[This message has been edited by edge, 02-10-2003]
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Actually, it's fairly easy. I use what I now about my field and see what makes sense from elsewhere.
quote: Well, I was trying to make it easy for you. I just asked for evidence, not prooof. That was in order to overcome your reluctance to answer. I didn't say that I'd accept what you gave us. Why do you read so much into what I say and yet complain that evolutionists are simply connecting dots without evidence?
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Oh good. We WOULD love to have your opinion. But you don't seem to get the point. If you do not tell us what you would accept as a definition, how can we ever give you the example you request? Actually, this is an old creatinist trick, but you do it so well...
[quote]PB: I had a look at the fossil record and if the ToE has been born out of this record (18th-19th century is even worse) it must have been done by somebody with a huge imagination.[quote]
As opposed to whom? And is that a problem? What do you think the role of imagination is in science?
quote: Hmmmmmm, I guess I missed something. It seems to me that you have utterly failed on this thread.
quote: Agreed, as TB and TC have shown, they continually redefine scientific terms. That's why we keep trying to nail you down.
quote: Yeah, well I suppose we're used to people making up definitions as they go. Should be easy...
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edge Member (Idle past 1734 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: I would say that the lack of an earlier response indicates general agreement, but then that's just my definition of 'general agreement'. The only thing I might add is that usually a TF shows up in the fossil record at an appropriate time to be a transitional. I'm not sure if this is crucial to the discussion at hand, but it is a factor that creationists usually have a hard time explaining and would rather ignore.
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