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Topic: Opinions and conclusions about Religion and God.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 166 of 280 (323432)
06-19-2006 5:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Sour
06-14-2006 2:07 PM
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Good call mate, good call. My sanctimonies exactly 
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 167 of 280 (323440)
06-19-2006 6:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 126 by nator
06-15-2006 7:52 PM
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Re: Not a Problem.
Kissing Hanks Ass is the funniest thing I have read in ages!
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 168 of 280 (323450)
06-19-2006 6:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by iano
06-19-2006 10:29 AM
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Iano, you can know (have knowledge of) anything. This does not make it real. For years I 'knew' that people were cold, mean old bastards who only pretended to be nice to others. Knowing a concept does not make it true. It might be true, but it might not. There is room for error. This is what I have recently learned from this site about religion.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 169 of 280 (323498)
06-19-2006 7:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 164 by iano
06-19-2006 4:26 PM
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If you say they are the same, then I could easily say that I "know" that Shangri-La exists, and scoff at anyone who doubts me quote:
If you know that then that is good enough for you. Me? I think you are jesting. But I don't know that you are.
So, you agree that there is a difference between saying that Wichita, Kansas, USA exists, and that Shangri-La exists. Right?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 170 of 280 (323500)
06-19-2006 7:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 167 by Larni
06-19-2006 6:08 PM
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Re: Not a Problem.
quote:
Kissing Hanks Ass is the funniest thing I have read in ages!
Excellent! I love it, too. Edited by schrafinator, : fixed quote box
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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 171 of 280 (323506)
06-19-2006 7:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 169 by nator
06-19-2006 7:13 PM
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I know you can provide proof of your knowing one exists and that you can't prove your knowing that the other exists. This might inform MY believing YOU. But it doesn't have much to say about what YOU know. You must decide if you know or not.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 172 of 280 (323518)
06-19-2006 7:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 171 by iano
06-19-2006 7:21 PM
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I refuse to continue to play this game with you. Your definition of "know" is useless. Who the fuck cares if you say you "know" something if you cannot demonstrate it to anyone else?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 173 of 280 (323521)
06-19-2006 7:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 172 by nator
06-19-2006 7:39 PM
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Who the fuck cares if you say you "know" something if you cannot demonstrate it to anyone else? I do. Sorry for pissing you off Shcraf.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 174 of 280 (323541)
06-19-2006 8:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 153 by iano
06-19-2006 9:49 AM
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>>>>>>Father Ian<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I was gonna get on your case for preaching again, but you actually did quite well! Maybe you DO have a purpose at EvC after all!
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 175 of 280 (323548)
06-19-2006 8:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 173 by iano
06-19-2006 7:42 PM
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Who the fuck cares if you say you "know" something if you cannot demonstrate it to anyone else? quote:
I do.
Most people would consider that a belief, ian.
quote:
Sorry for pissing you off Shcraf.
Sorry for getting pissed off, ian.
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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 176 of 280 (323552)
06-19-2006 8:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 175 by nator
06-19-2006 8:18 PM
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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 177 of 280 (323553)
06-19-2006 8:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by Phat
06-19-2006 8:12 PM
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Re: >>>>>>Father Ian<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You are a strange one Phat. What on earth is wrong with preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 178 of 280 (323595)
06-19-2006 9:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 177 by iano
06-19-2006 8:23 PM
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Re: >>>>>>Father Ian<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
sometimes in our well meaning intentions, we drive people further from it.
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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6220 days) Posts: 65 From: ARIZONA Joined: 05-20-2006
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Message 179 of 280 (323680)
06-20-2006 12:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 178 by Phat
06-19-2006 9:40 PM
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Re: >>>>>>Father Ian<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I wouldn’t mind putting down my religious beliefs in this forum if it didn’t seem like a certain few would just end up preaching at me like what is already happing to a few others.
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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 180 of 280 (323739)
06-20-2006 5:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 178 by Phat
06-19-2006 9:40 PM
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Re: >>>>>>Father Ian<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
For sure I can say things that upset people, things which stem from my own failings. But if you think you can talk about people being born sinners and that hell is the certain destination unless one is saved and that they are enemies of God and that Gods wrath is poured out on them this very day and that their ideas on morals are precisely that (to pick a couple of 'inflammible' topics off the top of my head) - without encountering anger and resistance then you are sorely mistaken. Not that I compare myself to him in anyway, but go have a look and see what happens Paul in Acts where and whenever the gospel was preached. Do you recognise anything? Follow the softly-softly road if you like Phat. By all means empathise with the likes of Jar's gospel. Sure I fail Christ, but there are as many ways to fail Christ as there are to skin a cat. Leave 'hard' Gospel to those who are prepared to speak it Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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