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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I'm spinning this topic off of another topic elsewhere.
From http://EvC Forum: Saddam's a bad guy, so we should.... -->EvC Forum: Saddam's a bad guy, so we should...., zipzip said:
quote: To which holmes replied (quote is drug related part of message)From http://EvC Forum: Saddam's a bad guy, so we should.... -->EvC Forum: Saddam's a bad guy, so we should.... quote: I'll chip in with my comments a bit later, but I wanted to get this topic started, before it ran on any further at the other topic. Moose
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
I have to wonder about the claim that there is a link between Ecstasy and HIV. If the link is unprotected sex, isn't alcohol likely as bad - and if ecstasy (and illegal alternatives) were not available wouldn't alcohol takes its place with much the same effect ?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5850 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Make sure you understand, zipzip wasn't even claiming there was a link between E and HIV, merely asking a question to insinuate there must be an answer.
Not only would alcohol make a stronger candidate for such a claim (if he had made one) between E and HIV, but it would become the obvious next target after E and Pot were removed (since they are both illegal drugs). Of course the list is endless. After alcohol, what activity would have a high correlation to the spread of HIV? And so on and so on... holmes
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Gzus Inactive Member |
Sigh... nothing like a good hash milkshake after a long day in the office...
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Syamsu  Suspended Member (Idle past 5621 days) Posts: 1914 From: amsterdam Joined: |
I think if prostitution and drugs and those things, are legalized, then they will be very generally used, like by 25 - 75 percent of the people or something. Drug use is now still much a shady business run by shady people, but after legalization well lawyered corporations will take over, which would result in general usage. Sure one might resist 1 time if legalized, but in a lifetime you would be faced with the choice a couple of thousand times through advertising and people you know. It would become a significant drag to resist. So that's why I prefer not to have those things legalized. There is a slippery slope towards more legalization once you start with legalizing, and a slippery slope of using the drug as a psychological addiction to escape problems in stead of just recreation.
regards,Mohammad Nor Syamsu
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
IS there less um, whiskey-dick problems with E?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5850 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
[QUOTE] by schraf++++++++++++++
IS there less um, whiskey-dick problems with E? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Good point, from what I hear E tends to make you feel pretty frisky, but I ASSUME (which means I could be wrong) that there is a point where you are too out of it to... perform. There's a study for somebody somewhere. holmes
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
just a bump as I thought it was an interesting topic...
might reply later ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I heard (from a friend of mine who used to be into drugs) that sex under E was a bad idea... something like having an orgasm on E will ruin non-drug sex for you, forever. Or it lesions the pleasure center of your brain or something.
Of course this is all hearsay.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: For what it's worth, my girlfriend's father is a neuropsychopharmacologist. (For those who don't know, it's just a fancy way of saying "a doctor whose specialty is the effect of chemicals on the brain.") He says pot is harmless. Like any substance (from alcohol right down to ice cream) it can harm you if you abuse it. But smoking up every so often won't hurt you. Look back at stats for binge drinking during prohibition as oppose to legal times. Abuse would most likely go down if weed were legal. At the very least, government regulation would provide an age requirement like with alcohol.
quote: How many substances would you say are safe when mixed with formaldehyde? Should we make any substance which is not safe when mixed with formaldehyde illegal?
quote: Just as many studies will show you there's no direct causal relationship. If there's any connection, it's because you can't tell a kid "both pot and heroin (or fill-in-the-drug) are horrible for you. Don't do them or there will be serious health risks," then have the kid try pot, find out you were lying, and still assume you were telling the truth about heroin. [This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 07-25-2003]
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7215 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
schrafinator writes:
On the street nowadays, MDMA is frequently cut with a wide array of various other illicit substances ranging from speed to heroin to mescaline to ketamine or more. Depending on the purity of the tab of E, and the substance that it is cut with if any, the effects on impotence can vary widely. I don't think it is known to cause a viagra-like effect at all, but relatively pure MDMA can increase an individuals sensitivity to arousal to a certain extent. MDMA also has a slight dissociative effect, however, that can interfere with communicating that psychological arousal to the appropriate parts of the anatomy.
IS there less um, whiskey-dick problems with E? crashfrog writes:
This is an urban legend. Sex on ecstacy is highly enjoyable when it can be managed, yes, but sex after that is no different than before. I heard (from a friend of mine who used to be into drugs) that sex under E was a bad idea... something like having an orgasm on E will ruin non-drug sex for you, forever. Or it lesions the pleasure center of your brain or something. Now, masturbating on acid on the other hand... (j/k)
Dan Carroll writes:
That made me laugh. How many substances would you say are safe when mixed with formaldehyde? Should we make any substance which is not safe when mixed with formaldehyde illegal? Blessings, :: "Its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times" --Bill Hicks. [This message has been edited by ::, 07-25-2003] [This message has been edited by ::, 07-25-2003]
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: I do my best.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Admin Narceus booted the drug talk back to the drug thread. But the last reply was from Coragyps, I believe...
quote: What, you're saying assassins in the Crusades didn't have a predisposition toward psychotic behavior?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
ABC television just broadcast a news show on Ecstasy. Much of the focus was on how the U.S. government exagerated the dangers, beyond any valid data (Not to mention that some lab rats were injected with speed by mistake).
The part I really found ironic, however, were the commercial breaks with corporate America pushing their pharmaceutical products. I had to wonder what the relative effects and safety of the various drugs were? Unfortuately, I don't recall what drugs were being advertised. I think some or all may have been kind of allergy/feel good drugs. May have been some anti-depression type drugs. No Viagra ads though. That would have been the ultimate irony. I wonder where Viagra would be today, if it had come up a street drug, and not a corporate product? Good drugs, bad drugs, legal drugs, illegal drugs. And the most troubling, the spam drugs. Moose
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