|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,902 Year: 4,159/9,624 Month: 1,030/974 Week: 357/286 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
I don't think you would find believers claiming exemplary moral character. Quite the opposite in fact. Believers claim (or rather accept) that morally they are quite bankrupt. I get your point, iano, but I wanted to ask you a question. Did you find the comment about "exemplary moral character" obnoxious? I want to know if I was the only one who did. Edited by robinrohan, : changed subtitle.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5093 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
How is it boast if it is fact?
It doesn't matter if it's a fact or not. A boast is self-praise.
Also how is it self-praise, when you are uncomfortable with praise, and you are only repeating what others have literally said about you while giving them their due credit for saying such. I.e. my students praise me for their ability to learn while i am tutoring them. How is it a boast to say, xyz student feels that i am an excellent tutor? Or that xyz person feels that i set a high standard for integrity and professionalism? How is it boasting to repeat what others have said about you and give them due credit for what they have said?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
What? No academic freedom? What kind of school do you teach at? I'm not asking where but just ... well, I've had professors with different belief systems. No body said anything about firing them. I just meant it's not the sort of thing one talks about publicly.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
How is it boasting to repeat what others have said about you and give them due credit for what they have said? That's not the case here.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
Otherwise every time we go on a job interview we are boasting. I'm glad you brought that up. I consider this one of the biggest problems in the "business world." That demand for one to boast is a cancer.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think I have seen some examples of boasting here. For example,
I felt I was making an important point. If you read over my words, I think you will find them rather profound. I had a point to make about esoteric vocabulary, and I feel that my summation was eloquent. However, I have some serious matters to discuss here. I'm not interested in all these rules and regulations. I'm interested in the truth. That's all that concerns me. And this esoteric vocabulary will not do. No. If you can't tell me what you believe in non-esoteric terms, than I won't believe you. I'm thinking about something called "the boasts of atheists," about how happy they are and how moral they are and so forth. That's what irritates me so much. I will name names. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
deerbreh Member (Idle past 2922 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
I don't think you would find believers claiming exemplary moral character. Quite the opposite in fact. Believers claim (or rather accept) that morally they are quite bankrupt. In some cases it is false modesty. They say they are no better than the sinner and "there but for the grace of God...etc" but that in fact can reflect a condescending attitude.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RickJB Member (Idle past 5019 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
robin writes: Except in a practical sense, it will not do to speak of such things as happiness and morality. If one is an atheist one should never speak this way. One should say, "We are products of a mindless universe, accidentally produced. We will live out our lives, and have some pleasures, and grow old, and die." You come across like the sort of guy who'd drop into to a party and feel morally superior to everyone else because he's depressed about his mortality whilst they're having fun! Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4139 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
what do you consider boasting in the business world?
something like "i am an excellent typist"? i don't really think someone saying they are a good typist is bad if they can do 100 wps or more nor do i really think its boastful to say that you are person of exemplary morals, i think the word is a bit highbrow maybe but his point was to defend agenst the typical fundi arguement that athiests can't be moral without god, at least thats the most common point of saying you can be moral as an athiest.if you find what he said obnoxious, well i;ll have to be blunt and say get over it, people can be moral outside the box and i wouldn't call making a statement boasting if its true
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I want to know if I was the only one who did. I remember expressing incredulity that anyone would say such a thing. My toes curl at the idea that there are people in the world who genuinely go around thinking this of themselves. It's just my view. I suppose that if morality is considered something that one can define for onesself and a person finds that they are living up to that standard then they are accurate in their statement (even if it does fall into the class of a boast). It is a ridiculous thing to call ones meeting of ones own standards "exemplary" however. I imagine the proper stance to take is one of slight embarrassment if pushed into commenting The most attractive individuals are those who are modest and whose modesty is not false. False modestly contains all the obnoxiousness of boasting for it is the other side of the same coin and as detectable. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
What your students say of you may or may not be their actual view of you. They may be female and you male and you are very attractive - but they can't say that. You may be a lecturer who gives good exam hints and they want that to continue. You may not be demanding and they want to affirm your style due to needing the occasional easy lecturer to offset the workload of the more demanding ones.
In other words they may not think you are a great lecturer in the sense that you are taking it up. No harm there. But you are not stating fact when you tell others that this is what they think of you for you do not actually know. "I have exemplary moral character" falls into the same zone. How does one know this?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
That demand for one to boast is a cancer. All the cv guides tell you to use power words and phrases: "was instrumental in..""took full respsonsibility for.." "fell well within my capabilities...." "met the challenge successfully..." But even in there one would unlikely say "I am a man of exemplary moral character" - you might throw a few dollars at your reference letter writers to include such phrases if it really concerned you that much
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
In some cases it is false modesty. They say they are no better than the sinner and "there but for the grace of God...etc" but that in fact can reflect a condescending attitude. No doubt. For the record: I, iano, am a filthy, manky, greasy, dirty sinner and were it not for his grace I would fully deserves to burn for all eternity in the fires of hell (although I think fire is only illustrative of the torment). Its hard to believe, isn't it. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
Well, the second and third ones were jokes, not meant seriously.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
what do you consider boasting in the business world? something like "i am an excellent typist"? Not a statement about some specific skill. It's the more general things one has to say about oneself that I have found very uncomfortable and unnatural: comments about how energetic and resourceful one is, etc. Business prose is terrible prose for just this reason. One has to put in a bunch of high-sounding words all the time. You can't say anything plainly. You have to use a lot of Latinate terms like "facilitate" when what you meant was "help."
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024