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Topic: What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 20 of 229 (331198)
07-12-2006 3:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Jazzns
07-12-2006 3:32 PM
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Re: How different are they and how are they different?
Based on what has been said here at EvC I would imagine that many Christians, whether they identify themselves as Fundamentalist or Evangelical or any other movement, sect or denomination, agree with the Phelps position, but not necessarily with the Phelps tactics.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 25 of 229 (331333)
07-12-2006 9:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Jazzns
07-12-2006 4:33 PM
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Re: How different are they and how are they different?
I just want to know why us non-fundamentalists should consider their position of the decline of civilization due to sin any differently then the Phelps'. Maybe we shouldn't I don't see any reason to consider their position on anything. Look at civilization itself and see if you think it's in decline, and if so, then look at the evidence to see if you can identify the causes.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 93 of 229 (332167)
07-16-2006 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 92 by ramoss
07-16-2006 8:57 AM
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Re: God's judgment
Well, according to the talmud commentary, it is describing a miscarriage. More specifically, an intentional, drug induced miscarriage; an abortion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: God's judgment
so i guess it's okay to abort illegitimate children. to punish us for our sin by depriving us of our children. so unmarried women, have at! Well, no. That is not what Numbers 5 is talking about. Numbers 5 is a particular case involving a married woman who is accused by her husband of infidelity. I do agree that the basis of Number 5 is that if the woman is pregnant, she will have a drug induced miscarriage caused by the preparation made and administered by the priest, if not pregnant it's likely that the drug will have no effect (perhaps the origin of the "No harm No foul" rule). This was couched in terms of punishment from God, but the practical purpose was to get rid of an illegitimate potential heir. Let's not move this even further from the topic, but at least in the case of an unwanted pregnancy (in this case unwanted by the man), Numbers 5 certainly seems to say that abortion is not just an acceptable argument, it is the preferred recourse.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 121 of 229 (332697)
07-17-2006 9:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
07-17-2006 9:25 PM
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Re: God's judgment
Is God in charge of Nature or not? No.
Is God omnipotent or not? Unknown.
What sort of God are you following? The Christian GOD, in fact the only GOD. There is absolutely no reason to bring GOD into the equation to explain natural occurrences. We know what caused the tsunamis, the hurricanes, why they struck where they did when the did and why the destruction levels were as they were. To say that GOD is in charge of Nature and that the storms, earthquakes, tsunamis, desease or any other such event is God's wrath or judgement is Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 123 of 229 (332703)
07-17-2006 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
07-17-2006 10:05 PM
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Stop misrepresenting folk Faith.
Funny how you carry on about how the creation, the universe, is proof of God, but then you deny his sovereignty over it. Please point out where I have EVER said anything is proof of GOD? What I said is that YOUR attributing horrific events like the tragedy of hurricanes, tsunamis or other natural disasters that we understand fairly well to some Divine Retribution is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 126 of 229 (332709)
07-17-2006 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 124 by Faith
07-17-2006 10:18 PM
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Re: You have a false God jar
Yeah, right Faith.
Perhaps I didn't say it quite correctly: not proof of God, but that God "wrote" the creation, it's His Bible. If so, then He has charge of it. No, again, you are still misrepresenting my position. GOD does not have to step in and personally direct everthing that happens, He was bettern that and created something that runs and is self healing. Part of that is change and evolution. To attribute things like what happened in New Orleans or Indonesia to Divine Intervention is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, attributing horrific events to the intent of GOD.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 133 of 229 (332728)
07-18-2006 12:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 132 by ringo
07-17-2006 11:54 PM
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Re: You have a false God jar
God sees the sparrow fall But GOD did not knock the little sucker out of mid air. "Take that you evil sparrow. Probably a homo sparrow anyway!"
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 160 of 229 (332889)
07-18-2006 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by ramoss
07-18-2006 12:21 PM
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throw back to the Dark ages.
Gosh.. God loves everyone equally, as long as they use the proper words to worship him, else he sends them to hell. He also sends natural disaster, disease, hurricanes , earthquakes, tsunami's.. but he watches every sparrow fall. Somehow, there seems to be some actions that are in conflict there. The idea that events like the tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, fires, tornados or other natural disasters are some Divine Retribution is nothing but a return to the mentality of the Dark Ages where sickness or poverty or accident were seen as punishments from GOD. It is nothing short of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and pure Ignorance, attributing Evil to GOD, and all Christians, all Theists as a matter of fact, should stand up, speak out and condemn those who preach such Blasphemy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 194 of 229 (333261)
07-19-2006 10:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by riVeRraT
07-19-2006 6:05 AM
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Re: God's judgment
Ever hear of John Paul Jackson? He predicted Katrina, others have been shown by God about destruction. But mabye those messages are for us alone, and to be told before it happens. After the fact is pretty much pointless, and ignored by unbelievers. Come on, get serious. The important part is not some vague after the fact claim that something someone said was a prophecy, but rather the hard cold scientific models that showed Katrina was not just likely but damn near certain. You live by your prophets, I'll take the National Weather Service anyday.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 209 of 229 (333710)
07-20-2006 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 202 by riVeRraT
07-20-2006 8:16 AM
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Re: God's judgment
He predicted it before it happened, and I personally read it before it happened. I don't remember all the details, but it was close enough. Is it post-hoc reasoning? I don't think so. Was it a coincidence? I don't think so either. So did many studies that streatched over several decades. Only someone who had tightly shut their eyes and ears did not know what would happen.
will heed warnings from both. Tell me, why does it have to be either or? Because one is backed by evidence while the theist prophet is but a conman.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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