What are the Degrees of Fundamentalism?

I agree with what your trying to say, but disagree how you said it. Rhetoric is a fruit, a bad one.Yes, we know people by their fruits, good or bad. It's how we treat them, or act towards them that is being screwd up by people like phelps.At no point in the bible, except maybe for the time in the temple where Jesus kicks over the tables, does Jesus do anything to hurt anyone.If the phelps are sinless, then they can throw the first stone. Otherwise they should shut-up and deal with life, maybe try loving people instead.

Congradulations faith. You just judged the 3000 innocent people who lost their lives on that fateful day. Maybe you even sent them to hell.Also the people that died in Katrina.What is next, like to shoot for the 250,000 and a big wave?For God so loved the world, faith. We are forgiven faith.
There is more than one righteous person in America I am sure. This ain't sodom you know, or is it that time.
Earthquakes will happen, wars will happen, it's all birthing pains. We are supposed to love, not insult the dead and their families.
Maybe you should join the phelps and their picket lines.

Growing up in NYC I was mostly unaware of people like that.

Sorry faith, you are not an official spokes person for God's actions, and judgements. None of us are. We are but to love God, and love one another.If your actions causes your brother to sin, then don't do it. Prove it...Matthew 24:5-75 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.So Jesus told us this crap will happen, and He does not mention any judgements, until the final day. Of course not, but that doesn't make it God's judgement. I am aware that the OT, is indeed old. Yea, the NT also sends a prophet named Jesus who tells us about the judgement on the final day, not all the days inbetween. Well I don't know how your not condemning them if you are judging why they died. Define believer, but not here, make another thread for it. I believe in a greater God than the one your depicting. You are not loving when you are judging people to hell. And deciding what is God's wrath or not.Jesus didn't come to judge, why are you?

Yes, and I have the Holy Spirit.I want you to really really pray hard about what it is your saying to people, about God's judgements and wrath. Is it your place to announce such things? Are you even righteous enough to be telling us all this? I know I am not. I had to realize it is not my place to convict anybody of anything. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.People don't need us to tell them right from wrong, God does that for them. It is only up to us to act right, and love, then by the power of God, people will know Him.Some of the best evangilising I have ever done has been done just through love. People know I am Christian, and if they don't know, they can sense something different about me, as long as I am following God's will for me, and asking Him how I should treat situations. All I have to do is be faithful.Let me ask you a question, should we not go to New Orleans now and help them, because God has poured His wrath out on them?

Just doesn't matter how they got that way, huh?
I could never bring myself to go and help people who I thought God had poured his wrath out on, and preach that message to them. I do not feel the Holy Spirit at all if I do that. Evangelizing is one of my strong points in spiritual gifting. I am very careful to be extremely humble when preaching about what sin can do to you in your life. Most people already are aware of what it can do, but ultimately it will be the Holy Spirit that will show them just how much sin can keep you from experiencing God here on earth. You show people more with your actions than preaching righteousness in their faces. You have offended me a bit.
Love and trust are 2 different things, I hope you know. Can you prove that?But I sort of agree. The problem arises in the interpretation, or the lack of consorting with the spirit, as to what the scriptures should mean in the present time.Please show me one scripture, where Jesus instructs us to go and convict/condemn people.

I have no interest in emailing you about it.
I have never claimed that about the Holy Spirit. I have claimed that we all have the Spirit, just some choose to follow it, and some choose not to. That is why I am not sure that being atheist is even possible. Our bodies are a temple of God, therefor we must all be agnostic at heart.If you feel that I think you do not have the Spirit, then it comes from your own conviction from the Spirit, not me, because I never made such a claim.The scriptures were written by MEN led by the Spirit, and translated several times, by MEN led by the Spirit. It can lead you to the Spirit as well, but no where does it give you the right to be judging people in the manor you are. And you keep mentioning scriptures, and have yet to back up anything you said with scripture. I have asked you now 3 times.Did you pray about it?

It is our own spirit that what? Yes. Every conversation about Christianity does not have to be about fundamentalists Ringo. THere is a difference between believing in God, and being in touch with His Holy Spirit. I think People who have not experienced the Holy Spirit before will confuse that, and also not understand about it.However, I have always remained open minded about it all, and I always say the day I felt the Holy Spirit is either the day I went nutz, or the day I got a small taste of God. It's been 2.5 years since that time, and I will still favor on the side that it was, and is God. Whne it starts to not make sense, than I will say I went crazy. And your going to hell.But what does a Christian who is not a fundamentalist say?

Having the Holy Spirit Does give you an edge, but only if you follow it.We all have the Holy Spirit in the sense of conviction. It will be the Holy Spirit that convicts people, not us as Christians. It is an advice, thats all. An invitation to view things differently. I asked you to pray about it, so that God, and the Holy Spirit would hopefully confirm this for you, have you prayed about it? That is twice I asked you if you would. Or are you so set in your ways and convinced that you are right, that you will not be open to what God has to say to you about it?I also asked you (now 4 times) to back up your "prophetic warning" with scripture. No faith, it is juding. A warning will preceed the event. A prophet will be known by his/her accuracy, about events to come. I am sure no one here considers you a prophet. ( I am not a prophet either, but have not posted any of my prophetic visions yet, so I am not considered a prophet by anyone here )You on the other hand have seen something happened, and then labeled it as God's wrath and judgement. That means that all the people in it, have suffered God's wrath because God judged them. How can you make such a claim? Did you also believe that the people who died in Katrina went to Hell?You have judged it whether you think you did or not. That is what I want to bring to light.

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I don't expect you to, that is why I have asked you (now 4? times) to pray about it, and ask God Himself. Have you? I would think that if you are the Christian you claim to be, you would at least ask God. Yes you do, otherwise everything you say is BS. You claim to be better "grounded in scripture" than me. You could be grounded all you like, but if you don't have a personal relationship with God, and confer with Him in everything you do, then you are not worshiping Him in spirit and truth. It's just your interpretation, or what was taught to you. I don't think that at all. So then you have looked at the whole scenerio that is Katrina, and you knew everyone who died personally, and now have made a judgement that it was God's wrath, and decided to tell us all of how God is killing off Americans with Hurricanes.Or did God come to you in a vision and tell you this?Or are you just using your own personal knowledge of scripture, comparing it to a natural hurricane, that Jesus said would happen, and calling it God's wrath?Which is it? So now you are claiming that God kills innocent people so that the rest of the nation is warned? About what? What is the warning?The only warning I could possibly think of, is that we were given the earth to take care of, and we are screwing it up with global warming, making the hurricanes stronger than ever. So you have judged it. You have labeled it a judgement, from God. Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.Jude 1:14-16
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him." 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.1 Peter 4:6
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you”who are you to judge your neighbor?Sorry faith, I don't care how educated you are in scripture, Jesus was sent to save the world, not judge it. God will judge it, in the end. If you could break away from being such a judge, then there is freedom waiting for you. Maybe you know not what you do.I respect your faith and everything, but I am pleading with you to pray about it. Let God show you. You are obviously getting these judgements from God, no? So God talks to you, I guess, ask Him.

Yes, He is "in charge" of it. This is what He decided to to with it:Genesis 3:17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.God decided to curse the ground. That means no matter how well we behave, the ground will always be cursed, until God decides it not to be anymore. To me the ground is nature on the whole. It is from the hot, moist ground that tropical waves get their start.Plus if God is using nature to send His wrath, then He is using terrorists, and innocent Americans to show the rest of us His wrath?
Think about it, it doesn't make much sense. Preachers use these events to scare people into believing in God. It is ok to fear God, but I don't think it is a good or healthy form of evangilsing. They will know us by our deeds. We are to love. For 2,000 years they have been preaching that end of the world crap. It hasn't happened, so what is the sense? It makes no difference when the end will come, because we will all be judged at the appropiate time. I will live my life like Jesus is coming tomorrow, and like He is coming 1,000 years from now.I don't want to believe in God, because I fear the end of the world. The world is not important. I want to believe in God, because I know that He loves me, and He died for me, and set me free, showed me the truth. and allowed me to feel His love. I want others to feel His love also. The word omnipotent does not appear in the bible. So we don't really know for sure. If God was omnipotent, then why would He send people certain places to meet with Him? When Adam was in the garden, why did it take some time before God went looking for him, and see that he covered himself with a fig leaf?Does that mean He is not omnipotent? I don't know. I think you know the answer to that. I agree 100% (and thank you) This is not a something that just popped into my head. I thought long and hard about sending out "judgements" from God, and judging certain situations. It has taken me over 1 year and a lot of praying to come to the conclusion that I now have about it.I think to many people are caught up in the ways of the OT and automatically assign the phrase "God's wrath" to events that happen.The vail was torn, Faith, and the temple is us now. We don't need people/preists to tell us what is God's judgement or not. If we are being judged by God, He will let us know personally. We will know to the depth's of our hearts, and hopefully repent.There many explanations for "bad events" happening in our lives. When bad things happen to us, we often turn to God and say "why me?"
Some things are brought on by our behavior, but God (Holy Spirit) will let us know what that is. Some thing s are just trials and tribulations (which lead us to God), and some are temptations from the enemy of our souls.Was Hurricane Katrina sent by God? Yes, all hurricanes are. Was it God's wrath? I say no, it is just the world He has created for us to live in.

Ever hear of John Paul Jackson?He predicted Katrina, others have been shown by God about destruction. But mabye those messages are for us alone, and to be told before it happens. After the fact is pretty much pointless, and ignored by unbelievers.

He predicted it before it happened, and I personally read it before it happened. I don't remember all the details, but it was close enough. Is it post-hoc reasoning? I don't think so. Was it a coincidence? I don't think so either. I believe in that too. I will heed warnings from both. Tell me, why does it have to be either or?

The verse is psecifically about the fall of Jeruslem. So I don't see the relativity in using to describe Katrina.I have seen you speak many times of the Jesus being the fulfillment of the law, and it seems you are picking and choosing what was fulfilled or not.1 Corinthians 14:2222 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.Matthew 7:1212 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.Edited by riVeRraT, : spelling

My point was that,
I wanted to know from you how it proves me wrong, It is from the OT, and we don't always follow the ways of the OT.If you really take some time and read the verses I provided, from the NT, it is plainly clear how we should treat prophecies. I am sorry you feel that way, it wasn't meant that way. I don't follow completely how you arrived at this conclusion, when it was bible verses that I provided you with to make my point. I am not just making this stuff up as I go, I have been studying the bible for 14 years.Christian commentators and preachers are fine, but they are just men, who derived what what they think from whatever. If a Christian commentator told you to jump off the broklyn bridge, would you? Plus you haven't provided any commentator literature that would show that scolding people with prophecies after the fact is a Christian thing to do.Wouldn't you rather put your faith in the combined knowledge of bible scriptures, commentators, real life, and wisdom from the Holy Spirit? It was you who imposed your interpretation of it all about what Katrina is, as gospel truth. Now your trying to defend it when someone doesn't agree with what your saying, and providing you with rock solid documentation from the bible on why. That is pretty close to my point and ironical that you would say that. Maybe you should apply that statement to your own judgemental ideas about what Katrina was supposed to represent.