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David O
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Message 1 of 47 (33549)
03-03-2003 2:28 PM


Is there a Bible Literalist denomination that follows 1 Tim 2:12 to the letter? I can't find any and that seems odd to me. I can barely find any websites featuring people who think this- tons who argue against this or decry it, though. I'm not trying to start an argument about this verse, I just want to find a church that has silent women.

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David O
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Message 2 of 47 (33552)
03-03-2003 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by David O
03-03-2003 2:28 PM


Here is the verse;
1 Timothy 2
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

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David O
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Message 13 of 47 (37711)
04-23-2003 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Mister Pamboli
04-11-2003 3:02 PM


again
Is there a Bible Literalist denomination that follows 1 Tim 2:12 to the letter?
By the way Mutual submission is insanity, no child can serve 2 masters, mutual submission turns out to be tyranny of the most selfish one.

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David O
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Message 17 of 47 (37724)
04-23-2003 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
04-23-2003 4:44 PM


Re: bishops
I'm a Bible Literalist who is trying very honestly to obey all the commands, I cut off the long hair, stopped sleeping around, started honoring my parents, am trying to obey those in authority over me, traffic laws, all of it. I don't work on Saturdays, I go to church on Sundays, I won't get remarried because of my divorce... I'm really serious about it. When something seems to contradict itself in the Bible, I assume that it is a problem with me, and my understanding of God. Sometimes I figure it out, too. I just want to find a church to join. One that is simple and literal.

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David O
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Message 18 of 47 (37726)
04-23-2003 5:12 PM


I have no problem with women or Scottish people.

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David O
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Message 22 of 47 (37887)
04-24-2003 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by truthlover
04-24-2003 1:48 AM


Re: church to join
Dear Truthlover;
Thanks for your considerate answer to my question. I believe your demeanor towards me qualifies as unity. We can disagree, but still be in unity. You afforded me dignity, like a Christian should. I believe that obedience will produce unity, but one can't unite with the disobedient who feign unity for the sake of preserving error. The division in those churches is probably due to a lack of respect for the other person's dignity (God's image.)
I would be very interested to hear the rest of your story. There are addresses on my website that you can use to contact me if you are willing to share your experiences with me.
Oddly enough, the Mennonite church here in Austin has a female pastor.
David

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David O
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Message 26 of 47 (37908)
04-24-2003 5:09 PM


Painting
Mr. P.;
Thanks for the nice words about my paintings. I especially appreciate you coming at me with scripture. I can be convinced of things that way. My defence of my actions stems from my reading of the KJV without their added words (to help with the flow.) It reads like this without the italicized extras;
"You shall not make for yourself an idol any likeness what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." I'm not making any idols, although I suspect that they could be used that way. I'm opposed to Icons. I would not be as comfortable with this if the representational aspects of the tabernacle and temple didn't exist. The palm branches, pomegranites, angels, and other representational elements would exist in contradiction with a forbidding of all representational artwork. If it becomes clear to me that I should not paint, I'll definitely stop painting, though.

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David O
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Message 27 of 47 (37912)
04-24-2003 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by truthlover
04-24-2003 4:10 PM


homeschooling
Those homeschool only rules bother me. Moses most likely went to a really serious pagan school, and Daniel. I'm partly ok with homeschooling, but the Bible doesn't command it, so I'm not helping anyone bash heads for non-compliance to their homeschool rule. I was homeschooled for 3rd grade and it screwed me up- I never learned cursive.
If it helps anyone here to know it, I was an adamant feminist for years. I have daughters whom I love dearly. I was even in a Lesbian folk duo, if you can believe that. My family came out of the Aimee Semple McPhearson church (4Square.) Mom's childhood pastor was female. I used to defend this really well. Unfortunately the same logic I used to defend this worked really well to rationalize sleeping around, and wild partying. It hurt everyone when I did that, so I'm being very careful with the Bible now.

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David O
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Message 29 of 47 (38218)
04-28-2003 1:44 PM


That argument amounts to solipsism.

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David O
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Message 31 of 47 (38222)
04-28-2003 3:05 PM


I have chosen to accept the Bible as true and to judge all else by it. Every one accepts something as true unless they have gone crazy. Insane people are the only ones who really live without accepting something as true. I take the Bible to be true and where people have taken it upon themselves to add to it, I feel free to throw that out, especially if doctrinal issues are based on those alterations. The writers of the KJV felt that these words needed to be italicized because they were added. If you hold nothing but your own opinion to be true, you live as a solipsist. I hold that the Bible is true and my opinion is true only when it correctly follows the Bible. The truth of the Bible doesn't rest upon anyone's understanding of it.

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David O
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Message 35 of 47 (38233)
04-28-2003 5:24 PM


I painted a painting with egss and oil paint. If you believe that I did or if you believe that I didn't, I still painted that painting with eggs and oil. The actions I committed in the past were actions that were committed by me. Your understanding of them has no effect on them. Reality is real. If a tree falls in the forest, and you aren't there to hear it, there is still sound. If I am wrong about the Bible, it doesn't affect the Bible at all. It is still true. We'll all find out in the end if I'm right about this.

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David O
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Message 37 of 47 (38237)
04-28-2003 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
04-28-2003 5:39 PM


I'll side with the Bible against the entire world. A quick study of people will show you how much they can be trusted. Our senses will fail us and our reasoning is faulty because of our limited knowledge. Have you ever been wrong? Has anyone ever taken advantage of you? Have you ever found anyone who believed anything in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as anyone else? Were you watching when the "couple of people with all-too-limited knowledge" wrote the Bible? Is your knowledge "all-too-limited" like theirs?

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