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nator
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Message 5 of 47 (36453)
04-07-2003 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by drummachine
04-05-2003 10:09 PM


But being a pastor IS, in actuality, a very prestigious thing to be if you are a Christian, correct?
Considering that there were no "pastors", per se back then, only Rabbis/learned men/clerics who basically made the laws and told everybody under them what to do.
Second in line behind Rabbis were men, and third in line behind men were their sons, and fourth in line behind the sons were imortant posessions like houses and cattle, and fifth in line behind houses and cattle were women/wives, and sixth in line behind women/wives were daughters.
Why is it so very difficult for some "modern" Christians to accept that this was simply the way women were treated back then, and that is why the Bible reads like it does.
That is why the Bible says that a woman must subnit herself to her husband in all things.
It doesn't say "some things", or ""at certain times". It says she must submit in ALL things.
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Message 42 of 47 (38852)
05-03-2003 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
04-23-2003 4:44 PM


Re: bishops
quote:
Here's a nutty idea - maybe so-called "Biblical Literalists" are only literal about the things that are convinient to enforce or keep certain members in positions of authority (like men)?
BING BING BING!!!
We have a winner!

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Message 43 of 47 (38853)
05-03-2003 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by funkmasterfreaky
04-08-2003 1:45 AM


So how can you submit and lead at the same time?
How can you be an authority figure (because you are granted this authority to be the leader in your marriage) yet also submit to your wife?
I get the "submit to each other part". I have a marriage like that. But I don't get how one person can be the undisputed leader, never a follower in what sounds at first like an equal partnership.
It sounds very much to me to be a logical contradiction.
"We submit to each other and neither one is more important than the other, but I make all the important descisions."
See how strange that sounds?

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Message 44 of 47 (38854)
05-03-2003 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by David O
04-23-2003 4:06 PM


Re: again
quote:
By the way Mutual submission is insanity, no child can serve 2 masters,
Uh, don't most children have two parents?
quote:
mutual submission turns out to be tyranny of the most selfish one.
What a depressing view.
So, are you contending that every marriage must have a dominant leader and a submissive follower?
Funny, my own marriage doesn't work anything like that, and neither do the marriages of most of the people I know.

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Message 45 of 47 (38855)
05-03-2003 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by David O
04-23-2003 5:03 PM


Re: bishops
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When something seems to contradict itself in the Bible, I assume that it is a problem with me, and my understanding of God. Sometimes I figure it out, too. I just want to find a church to join. One that is simple and literal.
Sorry, this is contradictory.
First you say how you have to "figure things out" from the Bible, then you say you want to find a church that is "simple and literal".
There is no such thing as a literalist church. They take things literally when it is convenient to their desired outlook, and interpret when it isn't.

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Message 46 of 47 (38856)
05-03-2003 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by David O
04-24-2003 5:22 PM


Re: homeschooling
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Unfortunately the same logic I used to defend this (feminism) worked really well to rationalize sleeping around, and wild partying.
Excuse me?
Please explain how the rationale for treating women as full and equal adult members of society has anything to do with the rationale for approving of sleeping around and wild partying?
I have never approved of sleeping around or wild partying and I have been a feminist all my life, before I even knew the word "feminism".

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Message 47 of 47 (39351)
05-08-2003 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by David O
04-28-2003 6:08 PM


QUOTEHave you ever found anyone who believed anything in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as anyone else?[/QUOTE]
The closest thing to people believing anything in exactly the same way as anyone else I've ever experienced is among fundamentalist religious people.

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