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truthlover
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Message 21 of 47 (37768)
04-24-2003 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by David O
04-23-2003 5:03 PM


church to join
Bible Literalist churches that agree with you on the topics you mentioned:
German Baptist Brethren
Old Brethren
Dunkard Brethren (I think)
Most conservative Mennonite churches
The Amish
Charity Christian Fellowship, I think they're in Kentucky or somewhere around there
Finger Mennonite Church (in Finger, TN, birth place of Buford Pusser)
And I have a Bible contradiction for you. Jesus offered the unity of his disciples as proof that he was sent from God. If Christians in general are generally in disunity and disagreement, it's nothing compared to how bad the groups I listed above divide. Give them enough time, and they will splinter into individual families. Once that has happened, I supposed they'll have to rescind their views on divorce in order to keep dividing.
I did everything you talked about, but what was killing me was seeing that it didn't produce the unity and love Jesus spoke of.
Now I'm not a Bible literalist, and I have found the unity and love he spoke of; everything Acts talks about. This isn't the thread for me to go on about that, but I didn't think it was off topic since you asked about those churches. With time I could probably think of more. I know there was one in Kalispell, Montana at one time, and Modesto and Merced in California have lots of that type of brethren church.
I don't recommend them, though.

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truthlover
Member (Idle past 4090 days)
Posts: 1548
From: Selmer, TN
Joined: 02-12-2003


Message 24 of 47 (37896)
04-24-2003 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Coragyps
04-23-2003 4:36 PM


Re: bishops
Most of the "Biblical literalist" churches I listed have bishops, and many of them even call them bishops. The Greek work translated bishop in Paul and Peter's letters is literally "overseer." Paul and Peter use bishop, pastor, and elder interchangeably, although pastor (or shepherd, same word) is used as a verb, not as the position's title (Acts 20:20-28, I think, and 1 Pet 5:1-5; please, this is not the place to discuss whether Acts really represents Paul's words or whether Peter wrote 1 Peter; I'm not arguing authorship, just pointing out the interchangeability of bishop and elder in the NT in response to a question).
Later, Polycarp uses bishop and elder interchangeably in his letter, as does Clement of Rome. Ignatius, from the same time period does not, and eventually all early Christian writers used bishop to mean the head elder only. The most logical explanation, I think, is that Paul and Peter started churches with a group of elders who all has a position of overseer/bishop, while John's churches only called the head elder bishop.
Anyway, any modern church with a pastor and elders could reasonably be said to have a bishop, although the title has changed. However, as I pointed out, the churches I listed mostly have a bishop and elders with those titles.
Again, let me point out that I don't recommend them and I'm not defending them.

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truthlover
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From: Selmer, TN
Joined: 02-12-2003


Message 25 of 47 (37898)
04-24-2003 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by David O
04-24-2003 3:04 PM


Re: church to join
David,
Yeah, I was careful to list "conservative" Mennonite churches, because Mennonites can also be the most non-literal and anti-literal churches there are. The Old Order groups (Amish, German Baptist, Mennonite) use the liberal Mennonite churches as an example of why they won't bend any of their rules, even their dress code, not even a little. One step in a looser direction, they say, and you start a slippery slide that leads you way to the other side of the "worldly" churches.
I was in San Antonio for a few months back when I would still have been interested in a conservative Mennonite church, and I didn't find one. I know there's a more modern and evangelical, but still very conservative, Mennonite group in Grand Prairie, or something like that, and Paris, TX and Italy, TX are loaded with little home school style groups that would believe the things you listed.

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