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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
Quetzal
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Message 204 of 298 (340492)
08-16-2006 11:44 AM


Critique by Jerry Coyne
There doesn't appear to have been much actual criticism of Coulter's book beyond the OP on this thread. However, Jerry Coyne, a biologist at the University of Chicago, has written an excellent on-line piece discussing Coulter's misunderstanding (and I'm being very generous) of evolution and biology. For your edification: Coultergeist (with many thanks to arricchio from iidb.org).
To put this in a bit of context, for those who don't know Coyne, he is the author of numerous papers on the genetics of speciation, and co-author with H. Allen Orr of the book Speciation (Sinauer 2004). He has also conducted several debates with leading "creation scientists", and has been an expert witness in several anti-evolution court cases.

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Quetzal
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Message 219 of 298 (340782)
08-17-2006 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Cold Foreign Object
08-16-2006 11:59 PM


Re: Critique by Jerry Coyne
You have misunderstood. Let me help. Coyne, an evolutionist, and Coulter, of whom I presume is an IDist or Creationist, simply disagrees with her. In order to grind his axe Coyne and Quetzal claim the inferior Coulter does not understand, when in fact, like I said, he simply disagrees.
Actually, Ray, it's not that Coulter "disagrees", it's that she's utterly clueless. Her screed is nothing but a rehash of YEC PRATTs, some of which even the main creationist organizations have finally admitted are bogus. The fact that she agrees with you, as opposed to practicing biologists, is somewhat irrelevant to the validity of her claims. In addition, she is very, erm, pointed about her contempt for and disdain of people who quite clearly know more than she does. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her intellectual integrity, now does it?
You should be happy for her, on the other hand, since her book is continuing to top the best seller list. By inference, that means that there are more people in the US like you than there are like Coyne. Looks like you're winning after all.

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Quetzal
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Message 221 of 298 (340843)
08-17-2006 1:46 PM


Godless: The Scientific Merit
TalkReason.org has a very good series of articles written by James Downard that address in some detail the "scientific merits" of Godless: here, here, and here. (Once again, thanks to the good folks at iidb.org, and especially JamesABrown for the links).

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