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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days)  Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: Downtown Detroit, yes it is a safe assumption. Hmm... didn't know I was talking about Detroit.I thought I was talking about "my" homeless people. 
In the real world what good does a conversation do for a homeless person? Give a man a fish.... In the long run, treating a man like a man does him a lot more good than a handout.
... hell it probably does as much good for you as it does for them. You really are determined to miss the point, aren't you? That's what I've been saying all along - it's for our good, not somebody else's. It enriches our lives when we recognize the value of somebody else's life. That's what started the whole discussion, remember? Robin missed an oppurtunity to enrich his life. Edited by Ringo, : Spelling. Edited by Ringo, : More spelling. Measure twice, cut once. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: I also own up to it and explain to people why I am like I am. But only people you know.  Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: Although I see our goals to be the same, we just take different avenues... I hope that you understand mine and can accept it as equal. Sure. I'm just saying I "feel sorry for" all kinds of disablities - whether physical, psychological, economic or social. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tusko writes: How does this pertain to robin's story? He didn't cut any old men dead who tried to engage him in conversation. My story relates to robin's story in that he missed an oppurtunity where I did not. It is true that the oppurtunity was more "clear and present" in my case, since I didn't have to initiate the conversation. If I was just making up the story, I would have made it parallel robin's more closely, for your convenience. But I was only going with what actually happened.
I don't think it's fair to assume the old men wanted to be talked to. It isn't fair to assume they didn't, either.
You and several other people seemed to have neatly elided pity with disinterest.... I'm not sure what the word "elided" is doing in there. If you don't know what big words mean, please don't use them. 
and attributed a mean-spirited sideshow gawp ("different") to him that appears wholly unjustified to this humble reader. I have no idea where you're getting that. I only said he missed an oppurtunity.
It is quite possible that any number of factors prevented him from acting as you anticipate you would have, and would have also prevented you. It is also quite possible that pixies would have swooped down and whisked him away to Fantasy Island. Forgive me for not including every possible outcome in my comments.
I can imagine that similar sentiments might actually upset or anger some people. If you're afraid of the possibility of upseting somebody, I advise you to sit in your room and stare at the wall for the rest of your life.
Or am I getting the wrong end of the bough? Yes. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: it's merely strongly implying what they SHOULD have done, which you seem to feel you have a right to suggest Exactly. I do have a right to suggest.
you feel you KNOW the exactly right way to behave, and you're so PROUD of your skill, and obviously EVERYBODY should emulate Mr. Correct. I prefer to think of it as giving everybody the oppurtunity to emulate Mr. Correct. Do you think people would be confused if I changed my alias to "Mr. Correct"? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tusko writes: I'm not impuning you for not bending the story to be more relevant: I'm just saying that if it isn't analogious to robin's story then it isn't very relevant. And I'm saying it is analogous, just not identical.
Robin may not have had time, or that some other legitimate factor may have prevented him from engaging the noble old fellows in wholesome discourse. "I didn't have time" is the oldest excuse in the book for letting life pass you by. The conversation I described didn't take five minutes.
... everyone who is berating him.... Nobody is "berating" him. jar made a fairly innocent comment that robin had missed an oppurtunity to interact with the veterans. I agreed, giving a somewhat similar example from my own life. Since then, it's been nothing but whiny complaints from people who are afraid to talk to strangers.
I'm getting the impression that you really disagree with me over this point... so I'd be greatful if you could spell it out. I'd be glad to, if you'll spell out what you're after.
I like the name Mr. Correct! Don't be fooled. I still shoot to kill. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tusko writes: The difference that breaks the analogy for me is that one of your guys offered you something first. In Robin's case nobody did. I don't see that as a difference at all. I don't think the guy even expected me to hear him. I'm certain he didn't expect me to respond.
Maybe your attitude would be "nothing ventured nothing gained, I bet these guys have an interesting story to tell." My attitude would be more like, "there's a fellow human being. The natural thing to do is acknowledge his existence."
... it might transpire that you might inadvertantly upset a vet through said conversation. *shrug* I upset people all the time. It usually doesn't spell the downfall of civilization.
... its still something to think about. I don't think much any more. I have enough thoughts saved up to last twenty years or so.
I just think there are too many unknown variables in the situation described to have anything like a firm opinion about the rightness of Robin's (in)action. Who said I had a "firm opinion"? I said he missed an oppurtunity. I've missed a few myself. When somebody points out a missed oppurtunity to you, the appropriate response is to thank them - not tighten your death-grip on mama's apron-strings.
I wasn't there so I don't really feel confident to comment on anyone's motivation. One of the advantages of getting older is you feel confident to comment on anything.
I don't see why you can't grant me that you don't have any more support for your contention that through his actions Robin did something a little (or a lottle) regrettable. I wasn't aware that I needed evidence in the Coffee House (nor was I aware that I had suggested that I had any evidence). I should think it's bloody obvious: every path not taken is a missed oppurtunity. (I'm baffled by how defensive you guys are about that.) No regrets = no life.
Look forward to hearing from you, Angel Eyes. I thought of changing my alias to that. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, strength..." I know this one is right! And I can never do it! It's easier for people with small hearts and small souls. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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