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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days)  Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Well, congratulations on missing my point completely.
NeuroCycle writes: I really don't like talking to strangers, not that socially adept to just go up and talk to people. How "socially adept" do you have to be to talk to people at the looney bin? They're in there because they're not socially adept. They may not have a tight grip on reality, but they can spot a socially adept phoney.
... if I don't take time to chat with the local homeless guy I sure as hell better not get critized for it. It isn't about criticizing you. It's about the oppurtunities you miss - oppurtunities to interact with your fellow creatures. It's part of the experience of being alive. If your fellow creatures get something out of it too, that's just a bonus.
What you did was honorable and very kind-hearted.... Still missing the point.  There's nothing "honorable" or "kind-hearted" about just enjoying life. My whole point is that I didn't do anything. I didn't offer money. I didn't pat them on the head and say, "Good dog." I just treated them the same way I would treat anybody else. Treating somebody different because they "are" different is a sin of omission. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
docpotato writes: I had approached the situation with an assumption: "this person needs help" The best way to "help" a blind person or a person in a wheelchair is to stay the hell out of their way. They wouldn't be out on the street if they couldn't take care of themselves. Everybody needs help sometimes, able-bodied or not - but it's best to wait for them to ask. I have often been asked for help by blind people, people in wheelchairs, etc.Maybe I'm just a helpful-looking guy.  If they don't ask, I assume that:
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: He SHOULD want to "interact with his fellow creatures," SHOULD not pass up this "part of the experience of being alive." He's MISSING OUT. If that's Political Correctness, I'm all for it. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: I don't like starting conversations with strangers. How do you go about meeting people?
I don't like making small talk. No such thing as "small" talk. Ever talk to children?
I am personally not missing out on anything. If you don't know what you're missing, how can you know you're not "missing" it?
Will I give him a dollar or two, sure, probably make him happier then talking to him. I'll give you a dollar - I'm stuffing it into my CD tray as we speak. Make you feel better? Why do you assume it would make somebody else feel better?
... he could be a crack head dead beat or just his business fell out and was left with no money. I don't know and I am not going to talk to him to find out.... Still missing the point. Did I ask anybody, "What drove you crazy?" or "Why haven't you had a bath?"I talked to them the same way I talk to you - although it was easier talking to them because they seemed to appreciate life more. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: It would be terrible. I wouldn't have anybody to disagree with. But at least it wouldn't so moralistic and so sentimental. I can be moralistic and sentimental and still be disagreeable. Best of both worlds. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: A person can't even have a philosophical moment without being harassed and bullied by the Fuzziewuzzies for failure to meet their blinkered standards. What on odd thing to say. You think you're being "harassed and bullied" into not harassing and bullying other people? And they prefer to be called "Dervish". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: Robin was harassing and bullying the veterans and needed to be stopped? You're missing the "big picture". Political Correctness is an (overzealous) attempt to prevent people from being bullied or harassed. Your position seems to be that you should be allowed to bully and harass people. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Neurocycle writes: Yes I talk to children. Nothing different about them. Do you offer them money?
Could go back and ask you that why wouldn't it? Where the who corn flakes?
I am not the easiest person to start talking to, not by a long shot, as you have found out On the contrary. I find it easiest to talk to people who screw up their own thoughts. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: If you are trying to equat children with the homeless, not going to work. Why not? You said yourself, "Nothing different about them."
You asked me why would I assume he would want money. I am asking why assume he doesn't? Same reason I don't assume that you want money from me. Same reason I don't assume that children want money.
I take a while to warm up to someone. So do I. I don't have to "warm up" to somebody to talk to them.
If I know I am not going to see someone again I don't talk to them.... I live in a small city (200,000). There's no such thing as "knowing" I'll never see somebody again. Chances are, it'll be my cousin's neighbour's hairdresser's brother - and I'll run into him at a wedding or something.
I am not interested in a conversation with them any more or less then the guy in the business suit on the elevator or the child playing street hockey in the park. Topic: I feel sorry for you. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NeuroCycle writes: But have to admit that is a pretty safe assumtion that a homeless person would want money. I'm not even sure it's a safe assumption that he's homeless. Ask and ye shall receive. Don't ask and all you get is words.
Everyone lives a different life. I happen to be happy with mine. Glad to hear it. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
docpotato writes: I am personally not comfortable enough to initiate these conversations most of the time. You don't pay attention either? I didn't initiate the conversation. I walk past a hundred people every day without talking to them. When somebody admires my shirt, I have an oppurtunity to continue the conversation. My point was that I didn't see those people as "different", uninteresting, pitiable, etc.
I do not feel this is a pityable trait. I see it as just as pitiable as mental illness, poverty, etc. Poverty of spirit, as it were. Kindly allow me to choose whom I pity.
I find doing so strains my mental faculties in a way I don't enjoy. Pity. Maybe your mental faculties need more exercise. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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