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jar
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Message 279 of 300 (342974)
08-24-2006 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by robinrohan
08-24-2006 12:07 PM


Re: Question for Jar
Gee, I thought it was perfectly clear. I will be happy to sing another song for you if you wish.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 282 of 300 (342983)
08-24-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by robinrohan
08-24-2006 12:13 PM


Re: Question for Jar
Nah, folk learn best by working things out for themselves. I will not diminish you or the pleasure you will get from figuring it out on your own.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 288 of 300 (343366)
08-25-2006 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 2:02 PM


Re: inconsistency in Jar's argument
Jar wants to criticize me, in regard to the veterans, but he doesn't want to say he is criticizing me, because that would seem to be violating another rule he has vaguely in his mind about "not judging."
And where do you get the idea that I some rule about not judging?
This just keeps getting funnier.
What I have said is the moral systems are societal or personal. As long as your moral system does not negatively impact me then it is none of my business. Society will have some other set of morals and the society will enforce those for all.
But we all judge. Judging is part of life. I just don't judge other folks personal moral set unless it somehow has a negative affect that I see as big enough to make me take some action.
As to the morality of what you did at the VA hospital, why would I even care if it was moral or not? Honestly I really don't care if it was moral or immoral, it was just a great opportunity you missed. Your loss. That's about it.
Wanna sing another verse of Poor Little Petunia?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 290 of 300 (343377)
08-25-2006 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 2:42 PM


Here is the next verse
it's the same as the last verse.
Robin quotemines this statement:
But we all judge. Judging is part of life.
And then goes one to assert:
quote:
Here's another inconsistency. You claim that your code is personal and applies only to you. But if that was the case, you wouldn't be able to judge anybody ever in a moral sense, because your rules would apply only to you.
So your code is not just personal.
What I actually said in Message 288 was:
And where do you get the idea that I some rule about not judging?
This just keeps getting funnier.
What I have said is the moral systems are societal or personal. As long as your moral system does not negatively impact me then it is none of my business. Society will have some other set of morals and the society will enforce those for all.
But we all judge. Judging is part of life. I just don't judge other folks personal moral set unless it somehow has a negative affect that I see as big enough to make me take some action.
As to the morality of what you did at the VA hospital, why would I even care if it was moral or not? Honestly I really don't care if it was moral or immoral, it was just a great opportunity you missed. Your loss. That's about it.
Wanna sing another verse of Poor Little Petunia?
Your tale about your trip to the VA Hospital had othing to do with morals. All I said was that you missed a great opportunity. I have never expressed a position on whether it was moral or immoral. I really don't even care.
You are wrong though in saying that just because morals might be personal I cannot judge someone elses morals. Of course I can. I can't really imagine where it might come up unless something in the other persons moral system negatively impacted me.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 292 of 300 (343429)
08-25-2006 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 8:40 PM


Re: Here is the next verse
Sorry robin but I still don't see the conflict. Where is there any conflict between those two statements? Of course I can judge someone elses morals. But I also don't expect them to live by my moral code™.
And what is it with you quotemining without providing the links to the posts where they originate? What is your need to hide the content and context of what folk say?
How come you do not include links or even the rest of the piece you did quotemine?
For example in Message 290 I said:
You are wrong though in saying that just because morals might be personal I cannot judge someone elses morals. Of course I can. {next section left out by Robin} I can't really imagine where it might come up unless something in the other persons moral system negatively impacted me.
And where do you get the idea that I some rule about not judging?
This just keeps getting funnier.
What I have said is the moral systems are societal or personal. As long as your moral system does not negatively impact me then it is none of my business. Society will have some other set of morals and the society will enforce those for all.
But we all judge. Judging is part of life. I just don't judge other folks personal moral set unless it somehow has a negative affect that I see as big enough to make me take some action.
As to the morality of what you did at the VA hospital, why would I even care if it was moral or not? Honestly I really don't care if it was moral or immoral, it was just a great opportunity you missed. Your loss. That's about it.
Wanna sing another verse of Poor Little Petunia?
That goes into some detail of when I would judge someones morals. That is entirely different than my expecting them to live by my morals.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 294 of 300 (343458)
08-25-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 11:07 PM


Re: Here is the next verse
Still quotemining I see.
If anyone is still reading this thread you can Message 292 for the context of the snippet Robin quoted and all the additional material he left out.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 296 of 300 (343463)
08-25-2006 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by robinrohan
08-25-2006 11:47 PM


Re: Here is the next verse
Okay.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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