Did Jesus lie ?

Assuming he only took three of them to see the transfiguration and thats what he meant by the comming of his kingdom, then the rest of them did not see him comming into his kingdom and they have died. So, most of them tasted death before seeing the comming of his kingdom (the transfiguration) because they never saw it at all. When Jesus said some of them wouldn't taste death before they saw the comming of the kingdom, maybe he was saying that only some of them would see the tranfiguration (which is what happened) and the whole part about death wasn't the point, because it was only six days away. The point was that only some of them would see the transfiguration, not that some of them wouldn't die.Does that make sense?

Not only is Peter’s epistle a personal reference but the entire gospel of Mark is too. It is generally accepted that John Mark accompanied the Apostle Peter as an assistant and the gospel after his name consists of the messages delivered by Peter.Peter tells us that no lie was found in the mouth of Jesus (1 Peter 2:22). He also says that Jesus committed no sin (1 Peter 2:22). Peter says when He was reviled He did not revile in return (v.23). Peter says that He commited His threatening situation trustfully into the hands of God.Is there any among us who could get acquaintences to vouch for us that no lie was ever found in our mouths? Could anyone testify about us that we commited no sin?Peter has further personal references to what he knew about Jesus in the books of Acts as well. You have no original document of ANY Bible book proving that what I DO have is distortion of what was originally written. Clearly to many of us the manufacture of “claptrap” is people like you, who for 2,000 years have never stopped to slander the high character of Jesus of Nazareth. I don’t know at the moment what GTC stands for. Obviously something that you are rather proud of. My sincere congradulations. However whatever it is I don’t think it has impressed human history as much as the words and life of Jesus. The people who keep tract of such things do so pretty well. Bruce Metzger is one scholar who kept track of all the known copies of the New Testament and statistics on variations of translation.Could you document a variation in MSS that effects one of these major tenets of the Christian faith?1.) That Jesus is the Son of God
2.) That He died for our sins
3.) That He rose from the dead on the third day
4.) That He can be known as the indwelling Lord
5.) That He will come a second time physically
6.) That through Him we can have redemption and eternal life
7.) He will reign forever and everWhich copyist or translation decrepency of any two or more MSS effects one of these major doctrines of the Christian church? So you think in terms of personal integrity you surpass Jesus?I don’t think you have the approvedness to class yourself with Jesus Christ, no disrespect meant to the GTC whatever that is. Even strong agnostics like H.G. Wells had quite high things to say about Jesus Christ. Wells said that Jesus was so wise that when He opened His lips His insight embraced the whole world. (Perhaps someone can produce the quote more accurately).Anyway that staunch evolutionist thus spoke very highly of Jesus. When you open your lips does your wisdom embrace the whole world too?If you don’t like Peter’s reference you also have Pontius Pilate who said he could find no fault in Jesus (in spite of the fact that fear of pressure from an unhappy populace caused Pilate to unfairly sentence Jesus to death.Would everyone at the GTC say that they could find no fault in you whatsoever about anything? It is right under your nose. You should dust it off and read it sometime.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Absolutely. Also, the previous verse (27) sets the context firmly in eschatological territory, which is detailed in chapters 24 and 25.The only reason one would interpret verse 28 as referring to the Transfiguration, is merely that it happens to precede the Transfiguration account in the text. Other than that, there is no reason to conclude that it refers to the Transfiguration and many reasons (as above) to conclude that it doesn't.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

so, if the transfiguration was just a preview of the manifestation of the kingdom when did the real thing happen ?and when it did, where some of the disciples alive to see it, as Jesus predicted ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

there is no reason why the Bible isn't saying that Jesus is the all-seeing serpent sent by the devil to enslave us, if we use my definition of 'Christ'.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

Of course in the eyes of God it has all taken place already. There is no time element with His divine viewpoint. That is why in Revelation John sees everything as already accomplished.From our standpoint we are waiting for the full view of the preview. And some are in paradise, having fallen asleep in Jesus (died in Christ) are praying for Him more and more to vindicate their sacrifices by coming.This is seen in the prayers of the martyred believers underneath the altar in Revelation 6:9-11. As the years go by more and more of the faithful fall asleep in Christ and join the mighty corporate cry from paradise for Christ to come. And we who are alive also are crying out to Him for His coming.In the mean time we need more of His being wrought into our lives. For what can we take into the next age except the Christ that has been imparted into our living? We need the time to be more and more saturated with His Spirit.So we await the full taste of the foretaste. Practically speaking you and I are not promised even tomorrow. How do we know we will not be called to die in some accident? In that sense Christ's coming for us is whenever we die.You have no assurance that Christ's coming for you may not be this evening.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The glory of Christ's divinity was concealed within the shell of His humanity. Instead of the word humanity we might say His flesh (John 1:14). John says the very Word Who was God became flesh. Christ's divinity is itself the divine glory. Just as "God is light" (1 John 1:5) , divinity is glory. When Christ was in the flesh, His humanity, His flesh was a shell which concealed His divinity and thereby concealed His glory.Although in His living He expressed the attributes of God within His human virtues, the glory of His divinity was mostly concealed by the shell of His humanity, His flesh.John chapter 12 shows us that it was His plan that the concealing shell of the grain of wheat must be broken to release the life if the seed. The one grain represented Jesus and as the grain had to fall into the ground to die to produce many grains, so Jesus had to have the shell of His humanity broken in crucifixion and death and burial to release the divine element from within Him.Before His death however, some of the disciples got a preview of the concealed glory radiating out for a brief moment. They were then told not to tell anyone until the Son of Man be raised from the dead. In God's plan it was to be the death and resurrection that would release the hidden divine glory. The transfiguration was only a preview.In His resurrection His divine life was not only released into His disciple but the divine glory saturated His physical body. Stephen and Paul saw Him in heaven transfigured and as He will appear in His Second Coming.This glory is not concealed in the same way within His redeemed people. He comes to be glorified not only above His saints but in His saints and to be marveled at in them:" ... When He comes to be glorified IN HIS SAINTS and to be marveled at IN ALL those who have believed ..." (2 Thess. 1:10)The believers have been called "unto the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thess. 2:14)"... He who has called you into His eternal glory in Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little while, will Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and ground you." (1 Peter. 5:10)He is the Captain of salvation like Joshua, leading many sons of God into the glorious expression of the Divine Being:"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author of their salvation perfect through sufferings" (Heb 2:10)We the save shall be like Him for we shall see Him even as He is (1 John 3:2)He is in the believers living as thier inward hope of glory:" ... what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you the hope of glory." (Col. 1:27)The full view of the preview must follow Christ's death and resurrection, which has happened. And it must follow the suffering and preparation of the church age in which we are driven out of living our old Adamic life to living Christ. Then He as the hope of glory will also radiate out of the believers, being marveled at in them who believed, and being glorified in the saints.

IF we are going about this scientifically, then you should know that nothing is ever proven. There is however plenty of evidence of the Holy Spirit working in my life. Just me talking to you about it, is your first sign. But just like your documents can be taken in many different ways, so can the evidence of the Holy Spirit. So really, just what is objective, and what is subjective?You know exists by seeking for it, and not denying it. You know in your heart whats going on, I need not explain.

Sorry, I don't know what the GTC is.I am not really into titles, as much as I am into integrety. Also the simple fact of the translation of matthew16:28 is so elementary, yet you still argue it, brings your integrety to question. That's good if it's true.
Maybe you lie to yourself?Don't get me wrong here, I really do wish you could experience just about 3 seconds of the Holy Spirit, then this conversation would end.

There is plenty of reason not to think that. Now your getting silly, not surprised really.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

A person in my church gave me some notes on the verses we are discussing.

Now that's just plain wrong. The Greek word "genea" (generation) always refers to a specific time frame much like the English word "generation" does. There is another Greek word "genos" which means race and it is also used in the NT to convey the meaning of (surprise, surprise) race or nation (Acts 7:19; 17:28; Gal. 1:14; Phil. 3:5; 1 Peter 2:9).When Jesus says "this generation" he CANNOT be referring to the Jewish race as he's not saying "this race", he's saying "this generation".Tell your friend to get his facts straight.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

There's also plenty of reason to think that the word 'generation' doesn't mean '2000 years', or 'until it happens', or whatever else you're making it out to be but that doesn't stop you from arbitrarily changing its meaning.

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

So, you're saying that some of the disciples did see the preview (transfiguration), as Jesus predicted. But the actual full view (second coming) hasn't happened yet.Am I following so far ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

Yes. They got a preview of the essence of something the fullest occurence of which we still await. Some have fallen asleep in Christ and await it. And some are alive and await it.Speaking for my interpretation of the matter which I think is correct. You are following.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.