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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read the New Testament for what a genuine folower of Christ must be. Manson, Hitler and Osama are followers of the evil one. So Osama is no more a "true" Muslim than an IRA terrorist is a "true" Christian. That's quite a non sequitur.
Why is there one rule of definition for Christians who commit evil and another for Muslims? Huh?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The thing that most amazes me about the general discussion at EvC between Biblical creationists and everybody else, is the evil that is imputed to us and to God. Then you are misreading.I don't say anybody imputing evil to you or to God. Rather, I see people pointing out that your own beliefs impute evil to God. I'm not sure why you cannot see that. I believe most of what I've given as my beliefs are true to the Biblical portrait of God. So if you say my beliefs impute evil to God, that's the same as you saying God is evil.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5946 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
The thing that most amazes me about the general discussion at EvC between Biblical creationists and everybody else, is the evil that is imputed to us and to God. That in itself fits with what scripture says to expect, but it is still astonishing nevertheless. Hey, don't feel special, the extremist fundamental by-the-book Muslims are "persecuted" also.
The Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy and casting out demons by Beelzebub. I don't see you casting any demons out so I don't think there are any parallels here. I think you are undeservingly elevating your position. The Pharisees attacked Jesus because he would not stone the women as the "scriptures" required. No offence Faith but if you were there and raised with a strict Jewish background, which side would you be on with your cocksure worldview. Myself? I am not sure..... Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Evil? I've never hide the fact that the Christian god construct featured in the bible seems to be an evil bully (to me).
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, you are always straight out about it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The thing that most amazes me about the general discussion at EvC between Biblical creationists and everybody else, is the evil that is imputed to us and to God. That in itself fits with what scripture says to expect, but it is still astonishing nevertheless. Hey, don't feel special, the extremist fundamental by-the-book Muslims are "persecuted" also. As I get it, they are doing the persecuting, killing Christians daily around the world as a matter of fact, and Jews as well, when they can get to them with their strapped-on bombs. And Hindus as well. They're still working on killing more "Christian" Americans too.
The Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy and casting out demons by Beelzebub. I don't see you casting any demons out so I don't think there are any parallels here. I think you are undeservingly elevating your position. The Pharisees attacked Jesus because he would not stone the women as the "scriptures" required. No offence Faith but if you were there and raised with a strict Jewish background, which side would you be on with your cocksure worldview. Myself? I am not sure..... The Pharisees attacked Jesus because He claimed to be God. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Something else worth noting, particularly by Iano and Faith: Allah is the god of the bible. Also, Islamists do believe in Jesus. Allah is not the name of the God of the Bible, who gave His name Himself as YHWH. At best Allah has some possible connection with El, the generic term for "God," but that doesn't equate him with the self-revelation of God Himself by Himself that is only in the Bible. Islamists do NOT "believe in" Jesus. To do that means believing that He is God, and that He died to pay for our sins, both of which they quite aggressively deny. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I believe most of what I've given as my beliefs are true to the Biblical portrait of God. So if you say my beliefs impute evil to God, that's the same as you saying God is evil.
No, it isn't the same at all. It is the same as saying that you are a fallible human, with mistaken beliefs. You might not realize this about yourself, but you seem to have appointed yourself omniscient. You write as if you are a spokesman for an omniscient God, and since you speak for him you must yourself be omniscient. Oops, we are drifting off-topic.
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mjfloresta Member (Idle past 6024 days) Posts: 277 From: N.Y. Joined: |
No offence Faith but if you were there and raised with a strict Jewish background, which side would you be on with your cocksure worldview. Myself? I am not sure..... No offence iceage but I think the apostle Paul fits your criterion to the extreme and which side did he end up on?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5021 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Faith writes: That's quite a non sequitur. Not at all. If you are determined to answer with with bare-link referrals to earlier comments at least have the wherewithall to remind yourself of their content! Never mind... Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know what I said in Message 107 and your response makes no sense.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What I claim to be my beliefs based on the Bible I ascribe also to many thousands of others I recognize as my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am in no way claiming some unique understanding of scripture, let alone omniscience.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Yes. But you only listen to those who agree with you, and those are the only ones you consider brothers and sisters in Christ. So it comes to the same thing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes. But you only listen to those who agree with you, and those are the only ones you consider brothers and sisters in Christ. So it comes to the same thing. I suppose we are now on an off-topic slide with diminishing returns so let's end it soon, but associating myself only with those who take the word of God as authoritative is merely being consistent, hardly implies we attribute omniscience to ourselves, only that we share an understanding of the revelation of God. "Only "listen to?" What does that mean? I RECOGNIZE them. I RECOGNIZE that we share a common understanding that makes us members of the Bible-believing Christian fraternity. When I listen to others, and I do, I RECOGNIZE that I do NOT share a common understanding with them.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5021 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Faith writes: I know what I said in Message 107 and your response makes no sense. It was an OT point that got garbled, so never mind!
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