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Taz
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Message 6 of 84 (368310)
12-07-2006 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-07-2006 7:01 PM


nj writes:
Can an evolutionist make moral pronouncements, such as "rape is bad," while still clinging to his or her beliefs in evolution? Does it leave them in an indefensible position or can any of you reconcile this?
Morality and biology are almost completely nonrelated. Simply put, morality is how we as humans try to define appropriate behaviors and inappropriate behaviors to stabilize society and hopefully make life more comfortable for people. Biology is simply a field of science that studies interactions between organic beings and describes how these interactions come about. I don't know if this is the official definition or not and I don't care. It just came off the top of my head.
The point is evolution is simply a description of what we observe and what seems to be the case in nature. Frankly, I don't understand how one can draw any correlation between morality and something like evolution. Just doesn't work.
PS - I don't pretend to understand completely what evolution is all about. In other words, I really don't see myself as a true evolutionist.

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Message 8 of 84 (368316)
12-07-2006 8:48 PM
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12-07-2006 8:36 PM


Re: Some points.
Chiro writes:
Since, like all human drives, it is rather weak and flexible, it is possible that it has been selected against in recent human evolutionary history.
Haven't you heard the saying good girls like bad guys? Just go ask any high school girl out there whether she prefers the guy that pressures her for sex or the guy that respects her. More often than not, the baddest of the badasses and jerks out there seem to get a lot more girls than the nice guys.

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Message 12 of 84 (368333)
12-07-2006 11:49 PM
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12-07-2006 10:13 PM


Re: Some points.
Which shows that guys who have more tendencies to manipulate and sometimes even rape aren't being selected against anytime soon.

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Message 18 of 84 (368390)
12-08-2006 8:45 AM
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12-08-2006 12:43 AM


Re: Some points.
Chiro writes:
Is there statistical evidence that these people are producing more children
I don't have any statistical evidence with me for now. However, do you agree that the undeveloped countries are the countries with the biggest population increase rates out there? Do you agree that most of these countries have cultures that undervalue women and overvalue men?
or that more of their children are surviving to adulthood than other people?
This is the wrong question, I think. In this day and age, it's not that hard to live to adulthood and breed ferociously while still being dirt poor and starving.

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