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Chiroptera
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Message 8 of 82 (369604)
12-13-2006 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dongsheng Zhang
12-13-2006 2:51 PM


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1C: Obviously, Ezekiel saw a DNA “helical chain” as a “ whirlwind”; saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical; saw the “four kinds of nucleotides” as “four living creatures”; saw “encoding human biological body” as “form of a man”.
No. Obviously Ezekiel was describing four creatures walking out of a whirlwind. Just like the passage says. What's wrong with the literal, plain reading of the passage?

Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. -- Otto von Bismarck

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Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 82 (369716)
12-14-2006 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dongsheng Zhang
12-14-2006 10:58 AM


Re: Who can explain the second?
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Who can explain the second?
Ezekiel saw creatures who had wings.
Really. It is really quite a stretch to be reading fun facts about DNA into Ezekial.

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Chiroptera
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Message 15 of 82 (369917)
12-15-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dongsheng Zhang
12-15-2006 1:00 PM


Re: Ringo
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the author used “north” but “south” to emphases that helical-direction of the “whirlwind” was a right-handed.
No he didn't. He used "north" to indicate from which direction a whirlwind came, out of which appeared four creatures with wings.

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Chiroptera
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Message 18 of 82 (369940)
12-15-2006 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by anastasia
12-15-2006 2:11 PM


Re: Utter nonsense and classic misrepresentation
Well, there are also people who think Isaiah 40:22 describes a spherical earth in a cosmologically expanding universe.
On the other hand, I admit that at least that is a little more reasonable than this "Ezekiel was attacked by a giant strand of DNA" thing going on here.

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Chiroptera
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Message 48 of 82 (371367)
12-21-2006 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by jaywill
12-21-2006 9:21 AM


Re: What has Christ to do with it?
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Well relating this to Ezekiel's vision, I still say Christ is the center and the circumference of the vision of Ezekiel. Why?
Because you can read whatever you want into oracles. That's what makes Macbeth so much fun.

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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 82 (371378)
12-21-2006 10:34 AM
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12-21-2006 9:50 AM


Re: What has Christ to do with it?
I take it that I made my point.

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Chiroptera
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Message 71 of 82 (371867)
12-23-2006 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Dongsheng Zhang
12-23-2006 12:11 PM


Re: You are invited as the reviewer
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If you want, I invite you as the reviewer to give me the comments to each A, B and C sentences.
We already have, Dongsheng. Haven't you read the responses to your posts?
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I think it is similar with DNA....
Sure. And Christian fundamentalists think that there are passages in the Old Testament that are prophesies of Jesus' crucifixion. Just thinking something is true does not make it so.
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1A: A sentence in Bible Ezekiel Book: “ . . a whirlwind came out of the north, . . Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. . . they had the likeness of a man” (KJV, Ezekiel 1:4-5).
Ezekiel had a vision. In this vision, he say a whirlwind. Out of this whirlwind he saw four beings that were similar in appearance to men.
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1B: The biological scientist definite that human DNA molecule is a “right-handed” double “helical chain” that is composed by “four kinds of nucleotides” that they encoding the “human biological body”.
Actually, DNA does not encode the human body. DNA is not a blueprint, either. DNA is simply a molecule that in the right chemical environment will catalyze its own replication, as well as the production of development enzymes that results in a living organism.
At any rate, insofar as DNA is ultimately responsible for the development of human beings, they are also responsible for the development of any other organism. If the passage from Ezekiel were to have some profound meaning, I would have expected it to speak of DNA being the basis of all life, not just men.
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Obviously, Ezekiel saw a DNA “helical chain” as a “ whirlwind”; saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical; saw the “four kinds of nucleotides” as “four living creatures”; saw “encoding human biological body” as “form of a man”.
Hey, here's a different one. Ezekiel, in observing a whirlwind, actually observed the earth forming out of the nebula from which the solar system formed -- this dynamic picture seems to be a better fit to the whirlwind than the DNA double helix, which is a static shape. Furthermore, the four beings represent the four cardinal points of the compass that are determined by the earth rotating on its axis. On this earth we see men "appear".
That seems as good a fit to Ezekiel as the DNA business.

I have always preferred, as guides to human action, messy hypothetical imperatives like the Golden Rule, based on negotiation, compromise and general respect, to the Kantian categorical imperatives of absolute righteousness, in whose name we so often murder and maim until we decide that we had followed the wrong instantiation of the right generality. -- Stephen Jay Gould

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