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Archer Opteryx
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Message 73 of 82 (372114)
12-25-2006 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by jaywill
12-22-2006 12:42 AM


Re: too blessed to be depressed?
jaywill:
But if you're concerned about mental health you should know that your own thinking has been damaged by sin. And the effects of sin have had a negative effect on both your reasoning and your conscience.
You need the renewing of the mind in God's salvation regardless of whether you like the visions of the prophets or not.
You clearly imply here that people who believe as you do are inherently less likely to suffer from psychological disorders than people who hold other beliefs.
Is this your view?
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3628 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 76 of 82 (372552)
12-28-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by jaywill
12-28-2006 8:29 AM


Re: too blessed to be depressed?
jaywill:
Depends on whether or not the person who has been reborn continues on to allow the Holy Spirit to renew their mind.
Such renewing is a life long process. It is not instantaneous. And it is not wrought without considerable cooperation with the inward working of the Holy Spirit.
We have a person with a chemical imbalance in his brain that causes, say, bipolar illness. According to you, the source of such trouble is sin. As soon as the person accepts Jesus as his personal savior and allows the Holy Spirit to renew his mind, we can expect the chemical imbalance to disappear. His bipolar disorder, in time, will be cured.
If his condition does not eventually improve we should conclude, you say, that the person is not allowing the Holy Spirit to continue the inner work of restoration. An ongoing mental health problem in a 'reborn' person indicates moral weakness.
Two questions.
1. Is it OK for the Spirit-enabled restoration of a person's mental health if the person consults a physician? Or would that be one sign of moral failure? Would seeing a doctor indicate the person doesn't trust the Spirit enough?
2. How are other chemical imbalances affected, such as diabetes? Should we expect a person with diabetes to gradually conquer her condition once she accepts Jesus as her savior and welcomes the Holy Spirit into her life? If her condition does not improve, are we likewise to conclude that some moral failing on her part has impeded the work of the Spirit? And how about physicians in her case? After a diabetic is reborn, should she continue to see her doctor? Or is that one sign of moral weakness?
If it turns out that the two disorders are not morally the same in your view, I would be interested in knowing why not.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : clarity.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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