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anastasia
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Message 17 of 82 (369936)
12-15-2006 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
12-13-2006 6:04 PM


Re: Utter nonsense and classic misrepresentation
Astonishing that this debate has been going for 1600+ years!
Augustine of Hippo writes:
“It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation." (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19-20, Chapt. 19 [AD 408]) With the scriptures it is a matter of treating about the faith. For that reason, as I have noted repeatedly, if anyone, not understanding the mode of divine eloquence, should find something about these matters [about the physical universe] in our books, or hear of the same from those books, of such a kind that it seems to be at variance with the perceptions of his own rational faculties, let him believe that these other things are in no way necessary to the admonitions or accounts or predictions of the scriptures. In short, it must be said that our authors knew the truth about the nature of the skies, but it was not the intention of the Spirit of God, who spoke through them, to teach men anything that would not be of use to them for their salvation." (ibid, 2:9)”
It is more astonishing that the fathers of the Reformation relied so heavily on Augustine's teachings, and yet at some point their spiritual descendants abandoned them.
God does not intend to reveal to us the workings of science, nor to make salvation available only to the scientifically learned. If there is a devil, I am sure he finds it hilarious that this type of studying of the bible has caused so many to lose their faith in God altogether.
I don't believe God has encoded knowledge of DNA, any more than He has encoded Shakespeare. It is not His intention to explain science.
If there are at times astonishing coincidences between the manifestations of God in the Bible, and natural phenomena, then perhaps we can still say that science at times can explain God, and that it is not surprising to find parallels or similarities between His creations.

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anastasia
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Message 19 of 82 (369949)
12-15-2006 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Chiroptera
12-15-2006 2:42 PM


Re: Utter nonsense and classic misrepresentation
Then maybe Isaiah 40:12 = Big Bang?
'who has comprehended the earth in a measure?'
kidding...

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