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ringo

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Message 5 of 82 (369588)
12-13-2006 5:45 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Dongsheng Zhang
12-13-2006 2:51 PM

Dongsheng Zhang writes:

Obviously, Ezekiel ... saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical....

What does "north" have to do with "right-handed"?

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Message 11 of 82 (369727)
12-14-2006 12:08 PM

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12-14-2006 10:58 AM

Re: Who can explain the second?

Dongsheng Zhang writes:

Please get your 2C.

No. 2C is off-topic. The OP only concerns 1A, 1B and 1C.

I appreciate all of your reply or question.

Then answer the question: how does "right-handed" relate to "north"?

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Message 16 of 82 (369930)
12-15-2006 1:32 PM

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12-15-2006 1:00 PM

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Dongsheng Zhang writes:

In fact, when a whirlwind or tornado occurs in the northern hemisphere, its helical-direction is always counterclockwise just like the right-handed helix.

I can appreciate your unfamiliarity with the English language, but the passage in Ezekiel clearly states that the whirlwind "came out" of the north, not that it was "in" the northern hemisphere. The reference to "north" has nothing to do with "handedness". It refers to the direction the whirlwind was moving macroscopically, not to it's internal motion.

You should also be aware that the handedness of a helix (or anything else) is just a convention - i.e. your right thumb points "north" when your fingers follow the lines of force, etc. How could Ezekiel possibly have known about our modern (arbitrary) convention of handedness? And why would he speak in terms that wouldn't be understood until thousands of years later?

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Message 27 of 82 (370374)
12-17-2006 11:31 AM

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12-17-2006 8:16 AM

Re: Who can explain the second?

AdminBuzsaw writes:

I see 2C as closely enough related to topic so as to be considered on topic for the purpose of this thread....

I have no problem with 2C being on-topic for this thread. I'm wary of the stated topic of the thread being avoided by branching out into related areas. When one of the key premises is refuted, the originator should address that point, not sally forth into other areas.

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Message 55 of 82 (371411)
12-21-2006 1:39 PM

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12-21-2006 1:22 PM

Re: More stuff I want to read into Ezekiel

jaywill writes:

... so that the wheel of the will of God could move on on the earth.

I think the wheel is a hard-drive - further proof that the ancient Hebrews had Windows 3.1.

Thus the wheels of the living creatures are full of eyes.

"Eye" ("i") is for "input".

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Message 59 of 82 (371416)
12-21-2006 2:12 PM

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12-21-2006 1:55 PM

Re: More stuff I want to read into Ezekiel

jaywill writes:

It was by the way, a wheel within a wheel.

Yes. My hard-drive is partitoned too.

I think it is very meaningful.

I was just trying to demonstrate that I can speak gibberish as fluently as you or Dongsheng Zhang.

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Message 61 of 82 (371428)
12-21-2006 4:00 PM

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12-21-2006 2:40 PM

Re: More stuff I want to read into Ezekiel

"Pearls before swine" in context:

quote:
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Bible Study is not about dubbing your own work "holy" or "pearls". It's not about preaching a bunch of "stuff you want to read into Ezekiel". It's about honest inquiry.

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