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The problem here is that the vision of Ezekiel should not be looked at in light of the natural life but of the divine life.The vision should relate not to the biological life of man as part of the old creation from Genesis. Rather it should be regarded as instructive of the redeemed human life coordinating with the divine life. That is the coordination between God and man.The overall vision is of God and man in coordination, God and man in harmony, God and man in mutual and harmonious movement for the accomplishment of the will of God on the earth.The timing of the vision is a time of Israel's low point. They are in captivity away from the holy land, the holy city, and the holy temple. In the midst of this low point of Israel's discipline God reveals a symbolic vision of His eternal purpose with Israel and with man in general. He has not in the least given up His will that man and God move together in perfect coordination.This is not a vision about the natural life of man. It is a vision of God's life being dispensed into, imparted into, infused into, and acting in mingling and union with the redeemed people of God.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I have been born again by receiving Jesus Christ. So I have withint the divine life. In fact any man or woman who receives Jesus Christ into thier heart is born of God and has the divine life. You may receive this divine life as well as any other participant."But as many as received HIm, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were ... born ... of God" (See John 1:12-13)"Through which He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature ..." (2 Peter 1:4)This does not mean that you or I can instantly plumb the depths this mysterious portion of Ezekiel. Being born of God is one matter. Growing and maturing in that life of God is another and leads to deeper and deeper comprehension of the word of God.So you should not dispair. And I might add that even though one may not be born of God I do believe some things in Ezekiel's vision, if expounded well, can cause some revelation or some understanding of divine things. I can help you to understand some things about the vision of Ezekiel. I did not arrive at all this insight on my own. I learned from others who are more mature spiritually. We believers learn from one another.I think you should give me a chance before we start debating about "in whose authority". Some of the posters here are familiar with my eagerness to "study the Bible" Obviously this is a "Bible Study" forum. Am I right? So I feel this is the appropriate place for lovers of the Bible, like myself, to engage in some Bible research and study.But I warn you that my exposition is 100% Christ centered. That is because Christ is the center and circumference of the divine revelation of the entire Bible. No elitism here. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Ezekiel's vision of the glory of God is a vision of divine / human coordination. For God to accomplish His will on the earth He must have harmonious and exquisitely orchestrated coordination and cooperation from the people of God.Is this anything new? No. God created man for Himself, in His image, and placed Him before "the tree of life" to cause man to live in the divine life and have an "organic" union with God Himself.Like Jesus in the New Testament - perfect blending, perfect unity, perfect mingling of divinity and humanity, moving together in exquisite cooperation and coordination.Don't be skeptical about this. Isn't the overall picture of the four living creatures, the wheels, the one on the throne riding above it all a picture of perfect coordination? There is a divine technology in this vision. But it is a technology involving life.The Spirit of God is in the living creatures. And the Spirit of God is in the wheels. It is difficult to see who follows who. There is divine / human coordination in this vision.The vision is profound. Make no mistake about this. It is a profound high peak vision in the whole Bible like the vision of the New Jerusalem in the end of the Bible.The glory of God is expressed in the blended coordination of man with God. The fiercness of a lion is there. The tireless servitude of an ox is there. The face of humanity - a man, is there. And the flying eagle representing the transcendent God Himself is there. The life of God is rich. It has this four fold rich expression.God's life is to be imparted into man. That life is expressed as a proper human man. That life can be fierce as a lion towards the enemies of God. That life can be a tireless servant like the ox able to bear the heavy load and move forward. That life is the life of the transcendent God as depicted by the eagle.This is the kind of expression that Christ bore. He was a normal man (the gospel of Luke). He was a fierce lion, like the king of beasts (the gospel of Matthew). He was a slave and servant who came not to be served but to serve (the gospel of Mark). And He came as the transcendent God incarnate, as the high flying eagle who bore Israel on his wings (the gospel of John).Such a rich rich life was embodied and expressed in one person. But God desires that it be expressed in His whole family, collectively and corporately. God and man can move in mutual coordination by His divine life mingling with man's redeemed life.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I'll review the rules. But it is hard to make sense out of that one.The title heading is "Who can Explain ..." something. The something has to do with Ezekiel's vision.Is it Okay if I come along and "explain" something about the vision of Ezekiel here?

The advancement of biological sciences has been marvelous. And there obviously is a lot concerning animals and man in the vision of Ezekiel.You will perhaps notice that insects and fish are not represented. Maybe we can return to that latter.But bioloogical life is represented. However, life in the whole Bible has its peak and highest meaning in God Himself. All the lives were created. God is the uncreated life. He is the eternal life. This is a vision of "the glory of God". So I think that what to look for here is the glory of God's life. It is not the glory of biological life per se. It is the glory and splendid expression of the life which is the divine and uncreated life of God.Having said that, this follows. God's life ... God's life and nature He intends to dispense into man so that man is a creature with God in him.Let me say it this way. The whole biblical revelation culminates in God having divine children. That is God expanding His life and nature into sons and daughters. That is God imparting His life into man. Now when man in addition to his created life ALSO possesses the life of His divine Father there results a heavenly, divine, and exquisite coordination. That is a co-movement. God and man move together in a seemless intertwined orchestration.God sought to move this way with Israel. He still seeks to move this way with His new covenant church. And He must in order to accomplish His will on the earth.Science means knowledge. This vision is a revelation of knowledge or "science" about God's life as it is dispensed and mingled with man's life.Religion is man's activity of trying to reach God. I don't like to say that the vision involves religion because God reaches us in His grace. Apart from His reaching man we would have no hope to reach Him. I do not account the action of God reaching man and touching man as "religion". I count that as reality.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You seemed concerned about my attention to the rules. So I thought I'd ask.

You're free to expound on Ezekiel's vision if you wish. I may have some questions for you myself.Sideline,I don't know how familiar you are with this website. But I have found them to be strict about keeping people on topic. Now I can go off on a tangent and exchange with you concerning some of these questions of yours, but chances are the old "Off Topic" flag will come in. So if you really want to debate with me I suggest that you debate on the CONTENT of the things I said about the vision.Don't make jaywill the issue. Make Ezekiel's vision as I explained it, the issue.Let's neither of us waste our time. Fair enough?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Yep. Could be. Could be. It very well could be self deception.And also maybe not. The Bible is a book about faith to those who have faith. With faith there is always an element of "Well, maybe it's not so."That's part of the program. You get use to it and you live on - in faith.Now let's get to the details of the vision of Ezekiel. What does it teach us?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Here's one objection worthy of some attention. I wrote that Christ was the center and circumference of the Scripture. Sideline objects.Well relating this to Ezekiel's vision, I still say Christ is the center and the circumference of the vision of Ezekiel. Why?The details of the vision tell us that at the top of this strange technology is one like the appearance of a man on a throne. This is one like a man on the throne of God bearing God's glory.Sideline says in essence "But we don't even know if history really had such a person as Jesus." Well, that is another debate - the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. But ask most people, "who on the face of this earth if he did exist, behaved most like the God of authority?"I think a fair number of people would vote for Jesus Christ. At least in the West history is divided AD and BC according to the birth and existence of Jesus of Nazareth. If there was a person who as a man bore the glory of God and seemed to coordinate and move in harmony with God - I think a few people would say Jesus was such a person.So Ezekiel's vision of the four living creatures with the man on the throne of God bearing God's glory may well have something to do with this unique Person Christ.So I stand by the statement that Christ is the center and circumference of the vision of Ezekiel as well as the whole divine revelation of the Bible.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

"Never believe anything in [theology] until it has been officially denied."To paraphrase one of your favorite sayings.

Ezekiel's vision took place "while I was among the captives by the river Chebar" If you know anything about the Bible you should know that God's people should not be in captivity in Babylon. That is an abnormal situation. They should be in the promised land of Israel in the holy city with the holy temple, not in the Babylonian captivity. This vision takes place at a national and theological low point for the Jews."by the river Chebar"(1:1) is striking. Chebar means strong, powerful. The symbolism is that Babylon was powerful to damage the nation of Israel. Babylon was a strong current to carry God's people away into captivity.Some will object - "Oh, you just want to read that into the text" meaning that must be wrong. Since I want to read it into the passage it is wrong. Well, I want to derive as much help from the symbolism as is available to me. In my opinion the river Chebar symbolizes the strong Chaldean invasion to carry God's people away captive.In fact in every age of the world the current of society always wants to carry people away from God and His will. Some of the opposing comments offered in this forum are just indications that the modern age as at the time of Ezekiel is always strong to try to carry people away from God and His purpose.This is the first mention of a river in Ezekiel. This river is destructive towards God's purpose. The other river mentioned is the river that proceeds out of the house of God carrying healing life where ever it flows. This is the positive river signifying God's life. This river is flowing our of the temple in chapter 47. One river destroys (Compare Isa.8:7,8). The other river flows with God's life and builds up God's people."Oh, you just want to read that into the text!"Well, it seems that the Scripture elsewhere has a similiar desire as mine:Similiar symbolism is found where God's river or fountain is spoken of as God's blessing and bounty to His people.
(Rev.22:1,17; 21:6; 7:17; Gen. 2:10; Psa. 36:8; Isaiah 58:11)"There is a river whose streams gladden the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacle of the Most High" (Psalm 46:4)Two spiritual rivers exist in the Bible. One leads to the lake of fire and eternal perdition. The other leads to the eternal city of God and the temple of God. That is the dwelling place of God on the earth where His divine life flows out and pours out building man up in the divine life to be His corporate expression.But Ezekiel is among the captives under God's temporary discipline. The heavens are opened to Ezekiel. Be cause he is a man of God and for God the heavens are opened to him. God opened the heavens for a number of prophets and Godly ones in the Bible. Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah, and of course the Lord Jesus Christ. The heavens were also opened to Peter and to Paul -both men of God.Because Ezekiel's heart is so towards God, even in captivity, God opens the heavens over his head to give him a glimpse into the divine realm.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I fail to see those words as of yet in my Strong's also. I'll have to look into that.I am not confirmed at this point that I am correct to say Chebar means strong, powerful.Until I can affirm this as accurate I take back that definition. However, "far off" would essentially give rise to the question of "far off" from where and from what standpoint?The Jews hung up their musical instruments and sat down "by the rivers of Babylon" and wept. How could they sing the Lord's song in a foreign land? They were carried off. They were carried far off. (See Psalm 137:1-4)Then again I just want to read that into the text. Maybe, I'm just out to get ya money !!Good point. And thanks. Keep me in line here.

The battle in the Bible is between God and Satan over man and the earth. Of course this seems like nonsense to many modern minds. We are accidently here as second rate animals on a second rate planet which circles around a second rate star we call the sun. It will extinguish, we will evolve into who knows what. And the whole thing will melt into dust so who really cares?Well the Bible's view is different. Sorry. God created man for Himself and placed the creation under man's dominion. But man was deceived to join an opposition party against God. This disharmony caused the creation to collapse into a heap of near ruin also. The key to the recovery of the earth and of nature is the recovery of man back to God. This is a little window in the whole biblical scheme.God tried to get through with the created race of Adam. He could not. So He initiated the "called" race of Abraham. He could not get through with the Adamic race so He initiated after Babel the Abrahamic race. But never forget, His intention is to reach the Adamic race through the Abrahamic race. He intends to bless the Adamic race by means of His work with the Abrahamic race.Ezekiel is a low point. But customarily when we would think that God has given up, He affirms to His priests and prophets in captivity that He has no intention of giving up. And the highest and most profound visions of His eternal purpose are opened to some of His prophets.So we come to Ezekiel amongst the captives in a far away land of idols. It is not hopeless. God carries Ezekiel in a spiritual way back in a vision to Jerusalem and shows him visions of the glory of God.This glory of God is symbolic of God and man moving in perfect coordination and cooperation so that the wheel of the will of God could move on on the earth. To be in this move of God is to be full of vision and insight. Thus the wheels of the living creatures are full of eyes.All seems discouraging with the Babylonian captivity. But to those consecrated to the eternal plan of God there is still insight, foresight, wisdom, and vision. They see all in relation to the great wheel of God's eternal plan moving in the coordination of God with His creature man.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Ezekiel sees this storm coming fromt north. I believe this means coming from God (Psalm 75:6-7a; Isa. 14:13)."For neither from the east nor from the west, And neither from the south, does exaltation come; For God is the Judge: He puts this one down and exalts that one" (Psalm 75:6,7a)The only direction not mentioned is north. In its place it says exaltation comes from God. So the storm coming from the north may signify coming from God.Wind has negative and positive meanings in the Bible. In Acts 2:2,4 the mighty wind signifies the mighty Spirit of God coming upon the disciples of Christ.Wind also can signify negative judgment from God upon man as in Jer. 49:26 and Revelation 7:1.In its positive significance the wind means for God to send His Spirit to descend upon man to cause man to have His life (See Ezek. 37:9-10; John 3:6-8; Acts 2:22-21)). I think the wind here coming from the north speaks more of God sending His Spirit to man that man might have the life of God.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I don't know about hard drive. But Ezekiel evidently had Direct Access.It was by the way, a wheel within a wheel. Here again is a picture of coordination. And inner wheel and an outer wheel.I think it is very meaningful. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.