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iceage 
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Message 172 of 191 (377444)
01-16-2007 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by 2ice_baked_taters
12-11-2006 12:31 PM


loss brain == loss mind
2ice writes:
It is you who have made the some sort of distinction between losing a limb and the capacity to recall a memory.
Loss of a limb does *not* equate to loss of mind!
You seem to think dementia is just a loss of memory.
Often personality changes occur. As will happen with brain injuries and stroke. We are talking about a fundamental change on who a person is - not just that they cannot remember where they last put the keys.
loss of brain == loss of mind (and even changes in personality)
For reading your posts you seem to imply that the ego/personality is some stable bedrock of existence and losing a limb represents a loss of functionality as does losing ones memory.
In addition, chemical imbalances can cause dramatic changes in personality for the better or worse.
How does that fit with your concept of soul?
What stage of ones life most accurately represents the soul?
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iceage 
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Message 177 of 191 (377535)
01-17-2007 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by 2ice_baked_taters
01-17-2007 4:17 AM


Re: loss brain == loss mind
2ice writes:
And you have evidence that is empirical? I think not.
The case of Phineas Gage is very well known.
Phineas Gage - Wikipedia
After his accident Gage became
quote:
"fitful, irreverent, indulging at times in the grossest profanity (which was not previously his custom), manifesting but little deference for his fellows, impatient of restraint or advice when it conflicts with his desires, at times pertinaciously obstinate, yet capricious and vacillating, devising many plans of future operations, which are no sooner arranged than they are abandoned in turn for others appearing more feasible. A child in his intellectual capacity and manifestations, he has the animal passions of a strong man. Previous to his injury, although untrained in the schools, he possessed a well-balanced mind, and was looked upon by those who knew him as a shrewd, smart businessman, very energetic and persistent in executing all his plans of operation. In this regard his mind was radically changed, so decidedly that his friends and acquaintances said he was 'no longer Gage'.
There is plenty of evidence, just research Traumatic Brain Injury or dementia.
iceage writes:
You seem to think dementia is just a loss of memory.
2ice writes:
More accurately I think that it is a physical handicap that prevents us from being all that we can be. It is my opinion. I may be wrong however at this time my guess is as good as anyone elses.
We are not talking about guesses, but hard clinical facts. These changes are not just a loss of capability (ie inability to walk, or remember things) but a profound change in the personality of the person involved. Ask someone who works in a Nursing Home.
iceage writes:
What stage of ones life most accurately represents the soul?
2ice writes:
The entire event.
The entire event changes and sometime dramatically before dying. How this "fits just fine" with the concept of a baseline soul you have not explained.
Anybody else?
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iceage 
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Message 183 of 191 (377667)
01-17-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by 2ice_baked_taters
01-17-2007 8:51 PM


Re: loss brain == loss mind
I am very sorry about your Father, 2ice.
I did not mean for this conversation to get personal.
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