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Sour
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Message 7 of 191 (367224)
12-01-2006 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dogrelata
11-30-2006 2:15 PM


Good questions, I can't answer any of them as I think the concept of a soul is redundant unless required by some other belief.
does a person’s soul come into existence only with their corporeal being? If so, does it occur at the moment of conception, or some time later?
I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
Is it the soul that shapes the corporeal being of an individual, or vice versa? Or neither? And in instances where individuals are unaware of their soul, are their souls aware of them?
The soul is a distinct entity that has awareness independant of my own? Am I interpreting your meaning correctly?

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Sour
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Message 9 of 191 (367226)
12-01-2006 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
11-30-2006 11:10 PM


Re: The soul undaunted
Hi Nemesis, a couple of questions about your position,
There is no materialistic or metaphysical force that can explain morality, or how it might somehow develop through elapsed time.
Do you regard altruistic behaviour by chimps as a different sort of morality? Is morality unique to humans because we are the only animals who think about it? If so, what is the altruistic behaviour that we share with chimps?
Before you make the libelous statement of calling me insane, listen to what that great poet and apologist, C.S. Lewis once stated: “You don’t have a soul. You are a soul.”
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Is it the symmetry of your facial features that people recognize? If this constitutes the reality of the self, then what should we consider about the blind? Do you cease to exist if we cannot see you?
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Do you cease to exist if we cannot hear you? If this is the case, then nothing was real to Helen Keller. Perhaps, it is your fingerprint design, in it’s unique pattern that make you who you are.
In all seriousness, do the functions of the human body encapsulate who you are? I hope this is not the measure of your life.
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So then, what shall we say equates to true life? What makes us who we are? Answer: The soul.
This sounds like you are defining the soul as the sum of our parts, my gestalt self. It is just a label for a thing that has no existence outside of me. This is not to say that I don't accept your position that I transcend my physical substance. The matter that makes up my body is replaced throughout my life, I am materially not the same person that was present at my fifth birthday, yet I remember it. That memory is a property of me that does transcend the matter I am made of. I could label as 'soul' the property which enables me to remember those events which I (the current 'I') was not physically present at. That doesn't make it holy or divine.
Many people do not believe in the soul because it is not tangible. It has no weight, no height, no depth-- no space, whatsoever, which is terribly difficult to conceptualize.
I think many people do not believe in a soul because the concept is redundant.
I'm interested in dogrelata's question about from when the soul originates, from a dogmatic perspective obviously.

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Sour
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Message 18 of 191 (367343)
12-01-2006 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
12-01-2006 11:52 AM


Re: The soul undaunted
Define altruistic behavior or give me examples of what chimps do in the wild that might qualify as true altruism. You know, I have three cats, and occasionally they display affection for one another by cleaning (licking) each other. This is very similar to what chimps do in the wild, which is, to preen each other and check for parasites. Does this qualify as altruism to you?
Yes.
I thought I was explicit about that. I was asking the public if they thought the sum of our parts equal the human. I certainly don't.
Hm, I do. I do however accept that my parts are not solely the matter that make me.
So, to summarize, would you consider yourself to be firing synapses in the brain? Essentially, upon brain death, does your 'soul' die? Note: {When I say 'soul' I'm not using my definition, I'm trying to ascertain yours}.
I would consider synapse firing to be a part of me. By my definition of soul (created for this discussion) it would end at death, yes.
I am too. And now that you mention it, what are your thoughts on when a human becomes a human, as it relates to the soul, either orthodoxical or paradoxical.
Hmm. I guess it depends on how we define human. If simply a member of Homo sapiens, then at conception, or at birth if you don't accept that while within the womb the human has no independence. If we mean human with the required capacities and abilities then sometime after that. Vague answer I know.
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Sorry, regarding my thoughts when a human becomes a human, as it relates to a soul; by my definition the soul grows with you.
Having offered an alternative non-eternal definition for soul I'll run with it. In reality, I think the concept as it is generally used is redundant - especially as a non physical motive force or similar.
Edited by Sour, : expanded thoughts on when a human becomes human as it relates to the soul
Edited by Sour, : spelling

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Sour
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Message 19 of 191 (367347)
12-01-2006 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by dogrelata
12-01-2006 2:03 PM


When I talk to others about it, or read about it, it’s very unclear to me what they’re trying to say. I tend to get answers like, ”if you were to experience it, you’d know what I was talking about’.
Understood. From my experience talking to people who believe in a soul, it's the bit that remains after death. When you ask what it actually is, you get a different answer for each person you ask.

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