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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
really, it's just the loons isolating themselves into a smaller and smaller group of wannabe martyrs. you will never get a reasonable creationist on this board. not once, not ever. because it is a contradiction in terms -- when one shows reason, they are (according to the loons) not a creationist. because creationism is a position of faith. not reason. it can masquerade as science -- but the moment one of them brings up a mainstream scientific point instead of the standard creationist "let's foul up science" talking points, they've become something other than a creationist. Invulnerable logic says any Creationist that an Evolutionist approves of is not a genuine Creationist; and when anyone is branded a loon by an Evolutionist this measns the exact opposite is true since evolutionists believe apes morphed into men and other assorted unscientific nonsense.
it's the minority against the majority because this is the way the minority chooses to define themselves. they want to seen as persecuted, so it looks like they have a great evil to fight against. and when they fail, they want the excuse of supposed injustice to justify their retreat. if you can't win an argument, just pretend the rules are rigged against you. which they are -- that "demanding evidence" bit totally screws creationism, doesn't it? Could we expect a Darwinist to say or believe anything else? ToE = atheist philosophy packaged as "science." But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe? Logically, atheists would never embrace anything that was intended as supporting God, and since all atheists support ToE and TEists like Arach: this logically proves Arach is not a real Christian because atheists would never support a real Christian. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Arach writes: i rest my case. the lunatics run the assylum. All sentences begin with a capital letter and "asylum" has only one "s". Since you believe apes morphed into men your uneducated status is explained. So is your belief that those who do not believe in the miracle to be "lunatics." We (= creationists) do not run the EvC Forum. Persons who believe apes morphed into men run the EvC asylum. Do you understand? Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Ray writes: But Arach claims to be a Christian, if so, why does he believe the origins theory that all atheists believe? Crashfrog responding writes: If atheists hate cancer, is Arach supposed to love it? The issue was origins and only origins. Again, how could a Christian and Atheist agree on origins? Answer: One is not genuinely as such?
Crasfrog writes: Did it ever occur to you that there might be a better way to determine what is true about the world than simply to believe the exact opposite of what the people you hate believe? You are mistaken. At issue was how could a Christian and Atheist agree on origins. Logically, the Christian is not a real Christian if they agree with the Atheist on origins. Christians believe a Resurrection miracle took place, if true, why not special creation miracles? Evolution says miracles do not exist. Are you saying a claim of Christianity is off limits to decide when the claimant believes in ToE? Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Admin:
My last post was posted not knowing about this post, sorry. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Arach:
I have two questions: Since the Moderators that have restricted me are Darwinists, and I am a Creationist, can you not see that this is about as objective as a Judge deciding a case involving his ex-wife? Why don't you advocate a unrestricted status for me and show some objectivity? (a negative response indicates fear regardless of what you might say) Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Well, Ray, what about all those other creationists who are not restricted? You have misunderstood. The issue is why are we permanently restricted? This is why the restrictions are not as claimed, and are instantly explained when we point out that our captors are Darwinists.
You fail to see that you are restricted because of your own particular debating style (or lack thereof) and this only confirms everyone else's view that you are unwilling to accept criticism or any form of real debate and you really just want to play the martyr. Only Darwinists claim this. Your comment is a predictable insult explained by your Darwinian worldview and lacks any substance, and it is a defense of third-world censorship practices. Remember, this is the Internet, and not Iran. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
There are several creationist websites that I was a member of where I was respectful and polite but have been IP banned from since I dared disagree. I am glad you finally recognize the obvious nature of my permament restriction. The only reason they banned you is because you conveyed arguments that they deemed too difficult to refute.
You have been a member here for over 3 years, yet you are still posting 2,780 posts later. Might I make a suggestion? Either find a board where there moderators are neither creationists nor evolutionists or find a board with no moderation (EvolutionIsDead seems quiet on moderation), or go to a creationist board. This is a compliment and an admission that my arguments are too damaging to your opinions - thats why you want me to go away. You are so angry and unable to obtain discussion satisfaction through intellect that this drives you to create Moderator issues to get your satisfaction. My overall point is that permanent restriction indicates rage caused by the inability to refute. The logic is invulnerable since you are a Darwinist and I am a Creationist. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Ray writes: The issue is why are we permanently restricted? Modulous responding writes: In your case Ray it is due to your tendency to go off topic, to insult other members and generally break the forum rules. You guys need to get your story straight. Below is the Showcase Forum description:
"This forum hosts those with the most controversial or unusual viewpoints, giving them an opportunity to showcase their ideas in discussion with selected EvC Forum members. Featured luminaries are by invitation only. Participation by other EvC Forum members is by request only, and permission to participate can be revoked at any time" Like I have been saying; the real reason for Showcase is viewpoint and not rule infractions.
And remember that your usage of this board is at 'Darwinists' expense. That is Percy is paying his own money.... You are mistaken: this has never been an issue or in dispute.
You have no rights to free speech here and silencing you here is not illegal in any country. You have been given a voice despite your constant, repeated and frequent insults, off topic posts and generally disruptive behaviour. Defense of censorship; could we expect anything else from a Darwinist? Set a restriction expiration date or remain an angry Darwinist who cannot refute. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Permanent restriction of a Creationist by Darwinists is about viewpoint and the inability to refute and the perceived harm the Creationist argument(s) might have on the undecided.
This is invulnerable logic. No matter how much you attempt to mis-portray the issue to be over rule infractions, objective persons know the real reason is rage caused by the inability to refute. I only make these posts to point this out and to say I feel complimented that I am censored. Censorship exists to silence views that harm the status quo view. I exempt persons like Mick and Crashfrog who have said they oppose my restrictions. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
This is true as far as it goes, but forum descriptions can't run on forever, and this one is already pretty long. What the description doesn't say, partly due to length constraints and partly out of consideration for those restricted to Showcase, is that it is a place for those with the inability and/or unwillingness to follow the Forum Guidelines, but whose viewpoints are so controversial or unusual that many people wish to debate them anyway. Thanks for reconciling the perceived descrepancy. If EvC administration does not want me around then I acknowledge the fact that they cannot help how they feel. I do not want to be where I am not wanted. My only issue is to expose permanent restriction for what it really is (viewpoint censorship and the perceived harm to the status quo). This is why there is a dearth of Creationists here at EvC. They see the way I am treated and they have no interest in wasting their time only to have an angry Darwinian Moderator save their own by poisoning the well (= asserting dishonesty and rule infractions). A long while back I remember a newbie who had an animated motion avatar of a woman kick boxer. She wanted to join EvC but only if PNT was dismantled. You and Ned sent her on her way. I tracked her down and found her at her own light traffic board. When I asked her why she did not join her response was: "PNT is Darwinian censorship; they would never allow smart Creos to take the agenda." Ken Demeyer does not post here, in part, for the reasons stated above. If you were to grant me full access I would, for the most part, disappear. If no one wants debate with me then, like I said, they cannot help how they feel. But as long as I am showcased or boot camped, regardless of what Darwinists say, objective persons know the real reason. Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, lifelong student of Dr. Gene Scott Edited by Herepton, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Randman writes: LOL. So I am the liar....SNIP Randman: There is no sting or truth in being called a liar by a person who believes that apes morphed into men or that the appearance of design indicates a blind and mindless process instead of invisible Designer. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Dr Adequate and CK haved been banned. I protest: these persons should not be banned.
AdminModulous is drunk on "power" and should be relieved of his duties. He makes no sense and seems to be the stereotypical college type kid attempting to impress his older Darwinian handlers who have taken him in at the expense of EvC patrons. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I faced Randman arguing that an essay on talkorigins.org claimed that universal common descent was a fact when it explicitly said that universal common descent should not be considered a fact. And Randman continued blustering and arguing long after it was pointed out. I know what he's like. And I argue that they are evidence of mental illness, not dishonesty. Reasonable and rational persons are more inclined to view your disagreements with Randman based upon the fact that you are a Darwinist and he is a Creationist. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Either Randman and the rest know that their blatant untruths are falsehoods or they don't. I'm just suggesting the alternative that seems more likely to me. And mental illness at least carries no moral judgement. Most mentally ill persons do not consider themselves as such. Case in point: Darwinists believe the appearance of design corresponds to mindless process; inhabitants of nature descend from a common ancestor, and that apes gradually morphed into men; and they think these miracles are rational and reflect scientific investigation. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
That says a lot about your idea of "reasonable and rational" people. A genuinely "reasonable and rational" person would see that Randman was being irrational and unreasonable and refusing to accept the obvious truth. Very "reasonable and rational" position you take: agree with me or you are mentally ill. Ray
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