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quote: Well more importantly, how do you know it doesn't exist? The way we know it does exist, is not by your limited science, I think I can safely say. So why would science be able to say it did not??
quote:That is fine, but why would others that feel they have experienced and observed things supernatural limit their belief to yours for no apparent reason, other than your inability to get beyond your limited range of perceptions? The only thing your absence of natural evidence for a supernatural exhibits, is being absent from your natural range. That would be expected for things not natural would it not? Or do you think you can also detect things spiritual now? quote:People of different beliefs in things supernatural have different reasons for that, none of which you can dispose of by science, or by wishful thinking. You don't need to worry about instruments other than natural, cause that is all you believe in. Neither should you worry about those that do detect evidence of it, just because you can't. Stick to your little forte. quote:That is also my position. But I don't remember anyone referencing an exhibit about that. quote: But no one claims any unicorn, or that this forum does not exist, so how can that be the freakin proof for your position of personal incredulity?
quote: That depends on who is the observer. If it is a non believer, then the answer is NOTHING! They have no clue. If you are talking about a bible believer, why, one would assume that the bible would help set the guidelines there. So, if you claim some pink entity is hovering over me, I would ask where there was such a thing in the bible. If you were serious, I would simply say I couldn't care less, let it hover, why would I care? I likely would not claim that I knew there was not really something there, since I would be ignorant of it.
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The topic was in the OP, not just the title. It mentioned the US as well. The exhibit I posted was from the US museum, deal with it.
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quote: For the resurrection?? Or, for 'all I know', as you put it? I do use the bible for some things, yes. One thing it does do is record the resurrection. It talks about the witnessed event. Times, places, circumstances etc. That is evidence. Like it or not, and evidence it will stay. Not in the science forum of this site, no. But who cares about that?
quote: You assert it does not exist, where is your evidence? Millions of people have had miracles, and other manifestations of things spiritual. That is evidence! The fact you haven't seen it does not change that. It may not be the kind of evidence you might want in science of the natural, but, too bad! ev·i·dence (v-dns)n. 1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis. 2. Something indicative; an outward sign: evidence of grief on a mourner's face. 3. Law The documentary or oral statements and the material objects admissible as testimony in a court of law. tr.v. ev·i·denced, ev·i·denc·ing, ev·i·denc·es 1. To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove. 2. To support by testimony; attest.
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quote: Since it is part of an exhibit IN a real creation museum, how could it be anything BUT relevant? Think about it.
quote: Well, apparently they do not think it is refuted. Apparently you do. The flood itself I believe, and millions of other as well, really happened. Now, some of the science may be off, and even wrong in the mainstream of creationism, I will grant that. But I will grant the same for things you might believe in 'science'. Ever notice science has changed somewhat since, say, the 1940ies? Keep in mind that what these things were supposedly refuted with, is just natural science. If there is more, then, that is meaningless. And, after all, you cannot say whether there is more, or not. Now can you? I offer YOU as my evidence!!! You claimed to be a Christian, that means you must believe in the resurrection, and God!!! Why?
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quote:The topic is not me, it is museums. I know for reasons in my life, as millions of others do. I don't need to get personal here. The fact is we, the millions and millions of believers do have reasons in our lives, many times it is even miracles. We know by experience. Observations. Miracles, and a million other ways. That is how we know. And all these things we know, unbelievers cannot know, unless they become believers. Otherwise how could you know, since science can't help?? quote:You could say the singularity is whispering in your ear if you like, and Ned is in drag. That is not my business. If you claimed that was science, why, then we might ask you to give more than a claim. quote:Actually, most of the world agrees with me. More correctly, by numbers you are the only one claiming it doesn't, and offer no evidence but you lack of ability to see! See, in a faith forum, one can have faith. One does not need to pretend it is science. But, on the other hand, if one claims that science precludes all things supernatural, why, one must back that up, mustn't one?
quote:You 'want' to hear why they believe. Well, what can I do for you here? Perhaps have a nice long walk about, and really chat it up with a lot of people of faith, and see what you come up with?? quote:No, it supports an earth about 10 times older than that! (har har) quote:Well, I contest you are not freakin sure there is no ghost peeking over your shoulder. Prove it. Otherwise stick to what you are sure of. You can have no evidence of the supernatural unless you come to God and ask for it, in my opinion. Having a pass to Livermore just won't do it.
quote: Because we are all entitled to our beliefs, and the belief that I found most historical, evidenced, and present and observed, and working was the God of the bible, and His son. Many of the people that start these museums feel much the same way. We do not like being called animals, and having you claim that we started off as a singularity. We do not like you pretending there are no angels, and God, and supernatural, when you speak from only ignorance. You can't know that, and should have the decency to admit it!
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quote:It is an exhibit in one!! I think I also said already that the resurrection shows that there is more than natural science at work. The One that rose from that tomb is the creator of the universe, in case you somehow missed that?? That is why, rather than a sword swallower, or evolution swallower, He made it into a creation museum! quote:Beware of strong delusion. Sonds like you stand at the brink here, from the claims that you throw out as if they had some meaning. quote: No need to.
quote:The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament sheweth His handiwork. So?? quote:Unless maybe it is merely you that is a misunderstander? quote:No need to all Christians must believe in God, and the resurrection. You remain my witness. quote:That is debatable.
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quote:Yes. A part of an exhibit in the museum. quote:You can research it if you want to. Apparently this really is in the museum. I did give a link in the same post as the pics, I think. quote:They listed something in the museum, some lies that were exhibited or posted there?? What they said struck me as general creation/evolution points, not specific to the museums? quote:On the list of your 'imaginary crimes list'. OK. Does that mean I should be very confident of moderation already?? quote:Do you assume God is either true or false?? Prove it either way, then! Or are you just engaging in a little Argumentum ad ignorantiam? People that live in glass houses... quote:It is also in me! And it won't be in you unless and until you come to God. Until then, you can likely have no evidence of Him. In other words, you will have to continue speaking from a point of ignorance. I never said there was evidence for you. Only for the millions of believers that tapped into the power you shun. quote:This IS a faith and belief forum, remember. One of the greatest faith documents in the world is the bible, and that IS evidence. You can like that or lump that. In matters of faith the bible we count as evidence. In the natural little realm of science, they cannot count anything out of their little cult of the selected natural only sphere as evidence! quote:IN the context of faith and belief, that includes, like the creation museums include, the supernatural that you can't see!
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Sorry that was news. But, yes, to get access to the things that are spiritual, we need to get spiritual first, and only Jesus can get us spiritual, in any big way that I am aware of.
Of course there are other things spiritual as well, like demons, occult, etc etc. But, whatever way you want to experience the spiritual, it sure ain't gonna be in the sphere of science. Besides, I never said I would take you out to the woodshed. You haven't really struck me as a worthy opponent. No offense. Edited by keys, : No reason given.
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quote: Guess it must be tough, having to lose so much you need to resort to accepting imaginary concessions! See, I never said it was because of people thinking. It is because of real effects in their lives. -Evidences.
quote:I don't need it validated, God does that. You must accept that people have faith for whatever reasons they say, if any. I have indicated personal experiences and the bible. That is plenty of reasons to believe, and needs no stamp from y'all. quote:No, you can't. If you had known them, maybe you would not have backslid. We need to know real reasons, however. Maybe that is why God lest you walk about. quote:Bottom line, you don't believe in spirits. Great, so can you bring us science to prove there are none?? Do you have any solid reasons ghosts do not exist? Why would I take your opinion over the bible? quote: No, my opinion is scriptural. He is a rewarder of them the diligently seek Him. Maybe He didn't want to scare you, you seem somewhat hung up on ghosts.
quote: Well, that is a big topic. Let's just accept that many believe this way.
quote: No, it is not ridiculous. I am not a descendant of any monkey or ape. That is insulting. But I don't think it is topical.
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Who was that again that keeps talking about pink unicorns, and ghosts on his shoulder??? Oh yes, that would be you.
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Evidence for....what?
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That doesn't prove we are children of monkeys. No matter how much you prefer to think of that as logical, I don't believe it without evidence.
You may go now. I think we saw what you had by now. Nothing.
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quote: No idea why you slap unrelated thoughts together, pretending they form a point.I believe a certain timespan, and you believe a certain one. I don't recall someone asking me to prove the flood here? If they did, again that is a big topic. The evidence in my life, and others mentioned was for a spiritual, and a God. One needs not do better than that. quote:I deny nothing, it seems you deny that we realize there is a spiritual. quote:Repeatabilty, well observed, time tested, evidence in real lives is not opinion. It is experiment, and results. quote: No, I don't see that. If one saw that these museums included more than just the natural, whay would the flood be a problem?
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There is evidence in millions of lives. You are apparently not one of them, and so you can't see it in the lives of others. It is invisible. You need to learn your little limits.
You can not be shown that which you can not see, and you cannot experience that that does not live in your life. But that does not change the fact that most of the world still believes in a spiritual. Or the fact that it is tested, tried, proven, repeated, observed, and a well known part of reality. Being out of that loop does not mean you can define reality by the limits of your beliefs!
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I do have it, as do millions. You can't unless you are born of the spirit, or find some other experience that get you more than a natural experience. You are not in a position to question miracles, answered prayers, gifts, inner peace, angelic help, wisdom from God, or etc etc.
The evidence is all around, but not all can detect it. It is not science, where all natural men can see the tests! The evidence of Jesus is in the lives of millions as well. He is alive and made Himself known. The bible documents witnesses of the resurrection. Do not think that just because you can't see it it isn't here.
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