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Author Topic:   Proof for God's Non-existance?
Fosdick 
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Message 5 of 317 (420423)
09-07-2007 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
09-07-2007 6:25 PM


Re: the atheist challenge
Jon wrote:
I would like to wonder if Atheists can walk their own walk, practice what they preach. I would like any Atheists to post their proof of God's non-existence in this thread.
I quess I'll be the first to tell you, Jon, that you can't prove a negative.
btw: What do you suppose Atheists preach, Atheism?
”HM

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Message 24 of 317 (420515)
09-08-2007 10:51 AM
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09-08-2007 10:15 AM


Re: the atheist challenge
Mr Jack wrote:
Negatives are no harder or easier to prove than anything else (and, in fact, the very statement "you can't prove a negative" is self-refuting, if you can't prove a negative how could you prove it?).
Say wha?
”HM

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Message 27 of 317 (420539)
09-08-2007 12:03 PM


When is existence non-existent?
Jon, maybe your issue is rooted in the meaning of the term "existence," or in its inverse "non-existence." Can you differentiate between these terms? What kind of existence or non-existence are you talking about? I'll admit that God has literary existence, but so does Santa, Tinker Bell, and the Great Pumpkin. My grandsons (ages 6 & 5) still believe that Santa exists, but they'll grow out of it. When will you grow up and put away your childish beliefs? It will be an important step forward for you.
btw: If you believe in God then why is "existence" or "non-existence" even an issue for you? Isn't your belief enough to take care of whatever "proofs" you need?
btw2: Have you ever heard of a Darwinian biologist bursting into a church on Sunday morning and demanding the pastor to prove that God exists? Most Darwinian biologists I know have better thing to do on Sunday morning.
”HM

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Message 42 of 317 (420628)
09-08-2007 7:00 PM
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09-08-2007 4:35 PM


Re: Let the words speak for themselves.
AIG wrote:
Atheism: a - theism, without theism...
But there is no ideological "-ism" to the "athe-" prefix . What could it possibly mean?
”HM
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Message 66 of 317 (420850)
09-09-2007 7:03 PM
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09-09-2007 2:17 PM


You can't prove a negative
Mr Jack wrote:
"You can't prove a negative" is itself a negative statement. So if you can know it is true you can prove a negative and it must be false...
Mr Jack, try reading this article "You can't prove a negative" to see if it doesn't change your mind.
”HM

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Message 68 of 317 (420857)
09-09-2007 7:21 PM
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09-09-2007 7:13 PM


Re: You can't prove a negative
crash writes:
People can and do prove negatives every day.
Isn't that like proving that nothing exists? Hard to do. Where's the evidence?
(Oh, no, here it comes again!)
”HM

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Message 70 of 317 (420863)
09-09-2007 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
09-09-2007 7:31 PM


Re: You can't prove a negative
Do you mean to tell me that if there is no beer in my refrigerator this proves that nothing exists? What is the meaning existence if nothing can exist? Of course there is always a meme of a beer in my refrigerator. Does that qualify for your existence?
(Here come da fuzz now to put a keebosh on this nonsense.)
”HM

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Message 72 of 317 (420869)
09-09-2007 8:13 PM
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09-09-2007 7:49 PM


Re: You can't prove a negative
I'm telling you that the same techniques you can use to determine the non-existence of beer in your refrigerator can be used, also, to determine the non-existence of God in your universe.
crashfrog, that's a classic! I may nominate this one as the POM.
”HM

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Message 90 of 317 (420953)
09-10-2007 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by crashfrog
09-10-2007 11:19 AM


Re: -proof/yes-God doesn't equal +proof/noGod
to mike the wiz's question:
Where is the contradiction?
crashfrog responds:
The contradiction is that Jon is saying that ~(~A) =/ A; but that's logically false. ~(~A) = A, it always does. It always has, and it always will.
Then mike says:
The abscence of X does not = NOT X.
To which crash responds:
But that's exactly what it means. A =/ ~A.
Now, I'm confused. If A is God, and if there is no God, then A = 0. That means ~A = 0, which imposes a violation of algebraic rules in the above equation.
But maybe that's your point: If God exists then He must be the denominator of everything. But if He does not exist then He cannot be the denominator of anything.
”HM

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