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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Trae writes:
Eating ice cream is immoral because it leads to higher crime rate. There can be no doubt that the eating of ice cream causes people to commit more crimes. I just find it hard to believe that it is only a coincidence that both eating ice cream and crime rates increase in the summer at the same time.
If we can make a case for the eating of ice cream as immoral we can make one for pretty much anything. There are certainly applications of the Golden Rule which I would find immoral. For myself the larger question is why does society care so much even assuming it is immoral? For myself the larger question is why does society care so much even assuming it is immoral? There are certainly sins in the Bible given far more weight. Neo-cons regularly vilify homosexuals while electing adulterers and liars to office.
Rev. Jesse Jackson had a whole other family for years and years before they were discovered, and within 24 hours everybody forgot about it. To this day, I can't watch news without seeing his face... it's like he has a sexual obsession with cameras... Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
b_sharp writes:
Haha, seeing that you are new here, I would like to point out that you're asking the wrong question to the wrong person. Phat would say that both of these sexual activities take you away from god, because both of these are for the sole purpose of lust, love for someone other than god, or money. It's probably a reason why he's chosen to be celebate. What are the differences between homosexual sex and heterosexual non-procreative sex?
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
berberry writes:
I don't know what your underlying message is, but I think I can add something to this. Now for bonus points, try answering these two questions: There is no denying that the media is bias for news that will get more people to read, watch, or hear. The vast overwhelming majority of pedophiles are straight men, which is exactly the reason why the media doesn't cover every single case. A gay pedophile is a lot rarer, and so whenever one is brought to light the media is all over the scene. Hence, the myth that just won't go away that all gay men are pedophiles.
2. How long has it been since you've heard of an openly Christian man molesting a child?
Do catholic priests count? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Rrhain writes:
I have a very simple answer for this one. Have you ever noticed how a lot of christians nowadays always say "well, I'm a christian..." thinking the rest of us are hearing "well, I'm a better person..."? Given so many Christian pedophiles, why hasn't society concluded that Christianity leads to pedophilia? We have to face the ugly fact that the vast majority of people out there still think christianity represents the ultimate moral frame work and christian = good person. This was part of my complaint with riverrat. Unfortunately, he never got the point. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Ludo writes:
I don't know how accurate the "far outnumber" part is. With regard to sex crimes, we actually have statistics to prove that the vast majority of sex crimes, if not most, are committed against girls and women by men. On the other hand, there is no accurate statistics on the actual number of gay men or ratio of gay men to straight men. I've heard everything for .5% of the population to 30%. but because they far outnumber gay men. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Ludo writes:
Of course not. I wasn't saying they are the majority. I was questioning your "far outnumbering" claim.
I doubt that gay men make up the majority of the male population in the United states or the world for that matter, or even half or near as such. and even up to 30%, that still leads up to 70% of men being straight. that's a big difference in numbers.
I said of the total population, I didn't say only the population of men.
then bisexuals and asexuals (people who have no sexual drive at all) have to be considered, and are no doubt far, far fewer than gay or straight men.
Again, you are making unfounded assumptions based on your preconceived notion of lalaland. There is no way anyone can know just how many bisexual and asexual people there are. It's not like the department of statistics have asked every single person in the country and came up with a number or two. You are basing your assumption on the fact that people are not lining up in front of you to tell you they're bi or gay or asexual. You therefore conclude that there really aren't that many around.
which still leads up to the conclusion that straight men make up the mahjority of the criminal male population because they are in the vast majority period.
That's not what you said before. You said before that the straight men "far outnumber" the gay men. While common sense would tell me that the gay population certainly doesn't make up the majority, there is no way for me to know just how many there are. I don't know and you don't either. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
kong writes:
I just read the entire article. I don't know if people like Ludo has the patience to read such a long article. This article discusses the myth that homosexuals are overrepresented in childmolesters. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Larni writes:
If you have paid attention, you would have known that nem_jug has a long history of comparing homosexuality to just about every horrific act of crime. Compared to some of the other things he said, comparing homosexuality to bestiality seems like a compliment. Yeah, I don't see why anyone would hold homosexuality and bestiality in anyway similar. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nem writes:
Speak for yourself, Nem. I have been having the opinion for a while now that if a son is of certain age and can be prove to the rest of us that he has the ability to informed consent want to marry his mother, who also can demonstrate informed consent, then they ought to be able to get married. Then if consent were really the indomitable factor, then why can't a son, of age, marry his mother, even if both parties are consenting? Call me a nutjob. I simply don't see any valid reason why I should have any right to tell these other adults what to do or not do with their personal lives as long as they don't hurt others. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nem writes:
Um, no they're not. Murder involves a murderer and a murderee. That's not private anymore. That's public. Most murders and rapes are committed privately. Nem, you need help. You are showing signs of socialpathology, or the inability to tell the difference between right and wrong. Murder is very public, because it involves the rest of us. You or I could be the next victim. On the other hand, what does sex between 2 consenting adults have anything to do with you or me?
But now you say that consent isn't the only catch-all moral standard, (that you use as an absolute way to test for the morality of something), but now you introduce pain too?
Um, I never said consent is the only thing. I don't know where you got that from.
I can then assume that masochism, even if the recipient and the giver are in agreement, is immoral?
I don't know if it's immoral or not. I'm manly enough to admit that I don't have all moral problems solved yet. I don't believe for a minute that you have them all solved. Now, are you manly enough to stop sticking your nose into other people's private sex lives? Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Good luck trying to get it through nem_jug's thick skull. I've been trying for months and failed to show him that you can't compare homosexuality to pedophilia and incest. If you can show him this, you are better than I am. I've given up talking to nem_jug on this issue.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes:
In one way, we don't really, which is why we want them to have the choice available for them if they wish to get married. If that is a rhetorical question then why do you care about other people's marriage institutions? In the other way, we care because we want them to have the choice available for them if they wish to get married. The better question is why do you people care so much if gays are allowed to be married? If you don't like it, don't get married with another man. Why drag the whole world down with you? By the way, are you still pretending like our conversation about the experimental procedure that "cured" homosexuality in animal never existed? Everytime I remind you of that, you always say "sure, I remember" and then turn around and claim you've never seen anything at all that would indicate homosexuality is anything but a choice. This attitude is confusing me. Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Actually, many of us do believe people ought to have the right to bestiality. What's your point?
Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hoot writes:
What part of "two consenting adults" don't you understand? You're right. Heterosexuality, homosexuality, bestiality, bigamy, incest, fucking your stamp collection”nothing I can think of should be banned from marriage. Oh, why, almighty god, must people like hoot always use the slippery slope argument everytime we bring this issue up?
The government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Just stick with civil-unions. I think the idea of civil-unions for gays has socially redeeming value. And I think that when gays demand that their civil unions be called "marriages" is clear evidence that they are more interested in coming out of the closet than in joining the ranks of reasonable people.
And as I have explained this many times before, simply getting the legal rights is only part of the human rights issue at hand. I'm an atheist. So is my wife. Neither of us really cared about the official ceremony thing when we got married. One might ask why didn't we just move in together and automatically be married after 5 or so years of living together by the common marriage law? The answer is simple. I wanted to proclaim my love for this woman, and she wanted to proclaim her love for me. Being socially recognized is a very important factor in this issue. What you are essentially proposing is gay people ought to be having all the rights and benefits as long as they do it in the back alley and out of society's view. Trust me, I would be pissed too if I was told that I was told to keep my relationship with my wife a quiet thing. I would be pissed even more if society refuses to recognize my relationship with my wife. So, I ask you again, what's wrong gay people getting married socially and legally? Why must they have to accept the bastardized version of marriage (aka civil union) and keep their ceremonies in the back alley while us straights can boast about our sex lives every chance we get? Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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