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Message 96 of 218 (412863)
07-26-2007 2:13 PM

Reply to: Message 94 by ikabod
07-26-2007 9:01 AM

Re: Moral codes

ikabod writes:

... by dropping the bible and other religious books you have difficulty finding any formally writen moral code .

And that's a good thing. The Bible and other religious books reflect the moral values of foreign societies from thousands of years ago. They hardly have any relevance to our society.

For a tribe that was in danger of extinction, that needed manpower to grow food and defend itself, a ban on homosexuality might "make sense". In today's overpopulated technological world, it doesn't.

Written moral codes have no more value than written manuals for chariot repair.

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Message 98 of 218 (412884)
07-26-2007 4:43 PM

Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
07-26-2007 3:33 PM

Re: Moral codes

Catholic Scientist writes:

Written moral codes have no more value than written manuals for chariot repair.

So, you're telling me they have some value?

Curiosity value, yes. Historical value, maybe.

Practical value, no.

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Message 112 of 218 (423639)
09-23-2007 12:44 PM

Reply to: Message 108 by Hyroglyphx
09-22-2007 3:53 PM

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

Through the exact same way homosexuality came through the acceptance door, will be the same way pedophilia will come through.... the guise of supposed love.

"Supposed" love?

The way a child loves an adult is different from the way an adult loves a child. The way an animal loves a human is different from the way a human loves an animal.

Not even talking about consent, neither of those two relationships is ever a two-way street. They are not relationships between equals.

In order to make the comparison to homosexual love valid, you have to show that same-sex love is different from opposite-sex love, that the relationship is inherently unequal.

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Message 128 of 218 (423868)
09-24-2007 5:27 PM

Reply to: Message 125 by Ihategod
09-24-2007 2:14 PM

Ihategod writes:

I meant to show the reason for the desire to have sex, would fundamentally be to procreate, not an individual perception of the mechanism.

So you're saying that a homosexual couple is no different morally from a heterosexaul couple that can't have children or doesn't want to have children. You're saying that the immorality has nothing to do with homosexulaity at all, but only with the diversion of sex drive away from procreation.

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Message 140 of 218 (423897)
09-24-2007 7:23 PM

Reply to: Message 132 by Ihategod
09-24-2007 6:35 PM

Ihategod writes:

I don't understand how homosexual activity is:
1)necessary
2)productive
3)fun
4)natural
5)not abusive

Your lack of understanding isn't the issue here. We're talking about the morality of homosexuality, not whether or not it appeals to you personally.

The issue I raised was: how do you distinguish between heterosexual acts that are not "productive" and homosexual acts that are not "productive"?

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Message 195 of 218 (434226)
11-15-2007 12:00 AM

Reply to: Message 193 by Fosdick
11-14-2007 9:44 PM

Re: Both sides of bigotry

Hoot Mon writes:

What's legal about "marriage"?

Marriage has always been a social institution. For a time, churches co-opted the term for their own bigoted purposes. Now that governments are in the business of protecting human rights, it's the churches that should get out of the marriage business. Let them call it "spiritual union" or whatever.

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