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Author Topic:   Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues
molbiogirl
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Message 65 of 241 (444136)
12-28-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by tesla
12-28-2007 12:16 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
the fuel would work in the same form as the mined (biodeisel) but stem from agriculter not from mining industeries. the change can be made, and if well planned the only economic devastation would be to the mining and oil industeries.
Wrong.
Biofuels are not zero-carbon because of the greenhouse gases emitted in their manufacture. Manufacturing 1 ton of anhydrous ammonia fertilizer requires 33,500 cubic feet of natural gas.
Fertilizers used in agriculture also emit a particularly potent greenhouse gas, nitrous oxide. In addition, air emissions from fertilizer manufacturing facilities typically consist of greenhouse gases (typically carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide), other gaseous inorganic compounds, and particulate emissions.
A recent report by chemist Paul Crutzen suggested most biofuels contributed more to climate change than fossil fuels as a result of fertilizer use alone.
Others have suggested that the net carbon benefit of biofuels is so slight that it's negligible.
No one has suggested that the net carbon benefit of biofuels is significant.

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molbiogirl
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Message 70 of 241 (444155)
12-28-2007 1:36 PM
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12-28-2007 1:22 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
perhapts the solution is an alternative production method, or refineing electric moters.
First. The manufacturing process of fertilizers, pesticides, plastics and solvents would have to be modified.
Second. Nearly all pesticides and plastics and some solvents use petroleum products as the raw material for their production.
Third. Electricity comes from fossil fuels, Tesla.

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molbiogirl
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Message 73 of 241 (444174)
12-28-2007 2:11 PM
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12-28-2007 1:46 PM


Re: The real threat to humanity are End Time Believers
surprised you would say that, because although in the US the majority of electricity is from fossil fuels, asia is mostly nuclear (all nuclear?)
Nope. Wrong again.
In 2004, China had total installed electricity generating capacity of 391.4 gigawatts (GW), 74 percent of which came from conventional thermal sources. In 2004, China generated 2,080 billion kilowatthours (Bkwh) and consumed 1,927 Bkwh of electricity. Since 2000, both electricity generation and consumption have increased by 60 percent.
Although it makes up only a small fraction of China’s installed generating capacity, many of the major developments taking place in the Chinese electricity sector recently involve nuclear power. EIA and independent sources forecast that China will add between 15 and 30 GW of new nuclear energy capacity by 2020, but even with this expansion, nuclear power will only represent between 2.5 and 4.5 percent of total installed generating capacity.
U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis
dams, wind, and sun are alternatives.
None of which are sufficient.
None of which are economically viable.

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molbiogirl
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Message 82 of 241 (444258)
12-28-2007 7:31 PM
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12-28-2007 7:28 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Be that as it may, our history doesn't support that notion. US presidents in the past have been far more religious then Dubya is.
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
You need to back up that bare assertion.

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molbiogirl
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Message 91 of 241 (444286)
12-28-2007 8:16 PM
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12-28-2007 7:50 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
Dwight D. Eisenhower for crying out loud added under God, added God to the legal tender, was the only baptized, confirmed, and became a communicant president, and cited God in various WWII letters. True that Eisenhower was far more intelligent then Dubya, but that's the issue here.
First. I would like to you support your assertion that Ike was the ONLY president who was baptized/confirmed/communicant. This is VERY unlikely.
Second. Mentioning god in a letter qualifies as "more religious"? If that's the case, then EVERY President is guilty.
Third. Adding "under God" in an era of Mccarthyism hardly qualifies as a religious move by Ike.
McKinley justified the occupation of the Philippines on Christanity.
Both Blair and Bush justified the Iraq invasion in the name of god.
When asked about sending troops to Iraq, he said: "That decision has to be taken and has to be lived with, and in the end there is a judgment that -- well, I think if you have faith about these things then you realize that judgment is made by other people," he said.
Asked to explain what he meant, Blair replied: "If you believe in God, it's made by God as well."
CNN.com - Blair: God will judge Iraq war - Mar 4, 2006
So the real question is does bush actually believe or is he using it as a tool for votes?
You've just nullified the entire argument for any President.

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molbiogirl
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Message 100 of 241 (444309)
12-28-2007 9:16 PM
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12-28-2007 8:28 PM


Re: The real issue is identifying threats and acting on them.
You misread it, he was the only one to have all three at the same time in office,, not the only president who had all three at some point in their life.
Wrong. Kennedy.
If I were to research the matter, I suspect I could find any number of examples. But since you were the one who brought it up, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders.
So. Cites please.
Have you even read any of those letters? Especially those to the 101st?
Perhaps you'd like to share.
Can you read? Blair did not justify it in the name of God. Blair stated that his decision will be judged by people and by God. Not that God told him to do it.
Not good enough for you, hm?
How's this?
On September 13, 2001, President George W. Bush released a written proclamation that stated, "Scripture says: Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted" (Bush, 2001a, p.1 ). He went on to declare Friday, September 14, 2001, a "National Day of Prayer and Remembrance," and on that day, Bush spoke at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. In this essay, we examine Bush's speech on the "National Day of Prayer" by conducting a cluster criticism. Our specific research question is "How does Bush create the case for revenge through the images presented in his National Day of Prayer speech." After analyzing clusters around the key terms United States of America, God, prayers, and names, the results demonstrate numerous findings. Common themes and rhetorical techniques become apparent through the importance of unity, America's responsibility to justice, and God's justification of specific actions.
Docan, Tony., Freitas, Lisa. and Holtzman, Clay. George W. Bush's 'National Day of Prayer and Remembrance' Speech: A Cluster Analysis of Bush's Rhetorical Argument for Revenge Paper presented at the annual meeting of the International Communication Association, Marriott Hotel, San Diego, CA, May 27, 2003 Online <.PDF>. 2006-10-05 Page not found | All Academic, Inc.
If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to read the paper and cite examples of "god's justification of specific actions".
Because of this, the president's argument for the war has come to rest primarily on the spread of democracy and freedom in the Middle East. And he has repeatedly linked this justification to God's plans for the world. "Freedom is not America's gift to the world," he is fond of saying. "It is God's gift to humanity." He reiterated this in the last presidential debate, when Bob Schieffer asked him about his statement that he had "checked with a higher authority" than his own father before the invasion of Iraq. The president responded, "I believe that God wants everybody to be free. That's what I believe. And that's been a part of my foreign policy. In Afghanistan, I believe that the freedom there is a gift from the Almighty. And I can't tell you how encouraged I am to see freedom on the march."
Does God support democracy? The president's theological justification for war in Iraq demands scrutiny
National Catholic Reporter, Feb 4, 2005 by Patrick Kelly
http://findarticles.com/...les/mi_m1141/is_14_41/ai_n9772186
There's plenty more where those 2 came from. But I think you get the idea.

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molbiogirl
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Message 102 of 241 (444315)
12-28-2007 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by jar
12-28-2007 9:22 PM


Re: National Day of Prayer
White House writes:
National Day of Prayer and Remembrance for the Victims Of the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001
Briefing Room - The White House
The point of the paper is GWB's use of this National Day of Prayer & Remembrance that he declared (Truman's = first Thursday in May) to support his idea that god is on his side in the Iraq conflict.
Come on. The National Day of Prayer was established in 1952 under Give em Hell Harry.
To be technical, not quite.
1775 - The first Continental Congress called for a National Day of Prayer
1863 - Abraham Lincoln called for such a day.
1952 - Congress established NDP as an annual event by a joint resolution, signed into law by President Truman.
1988 - The law was amended and signed by President Reagan, designating the NDP as the first Thursday in May.
http://www.ndptf.org/schools/Index.cfm?Entity=8&Departmen...

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molbiogirl
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Message 115 of 241 (444510)
12-29-2007 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by obvious Child
12-29-2007 1:47 AM


Btw, what's your blood pressure?
Oh. Obvious. Thank you for your concern!
I have a very low BP, a very low heart rate and a low body temp. In fact, by the time I reach 98.6, I have a raging fever.
Thank you again for your heartfelt concern!
he PRIMARY public reason for invading was because Iraq was a imminent threat with its WMD it could use on our allies and give to terrorists (never mind the actual reason).
Oh dear. I see. You're on of those.
President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.
The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
http://news.independent.co.uk/.../americas/article317805.ece

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molbiogirl
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Message 116 of 241 (444514)
12-29-2007 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by tesla
12-29-2007 10:46 AM


End Time Belief and Political Power
i fail to see how that proves end time beleivers (sic) a threat.
Army Lt. General William "Jerry" Boykin made headlines in 2003 when he said he believed America was engaged in a holy war as a "Christian nation" battling Satan. Adversaries can be defeated, he said, "only if we come against them in the name of Jesus." Boykin was Bush's deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence.
The White House, in May 2007, called a meeting -- the president invited dominionist James Dobson and 12 or 13 other end time ministers for a special meeting. They discussed the "disturbing threats Iraq, Iran and international terrorism posed to US, Israel and other democracies around the world".
Joel Rosenberg is an end-time "prophecy expert" who makes frequent visits to the White House to help them "understand what will happen next in the Middle East." In a radio interview with James Dobson, Rosenberg informed listeners that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- the latest in a long line of end-time anti-Christ candidates that recently included Saddam Hussein -- is "telling people inside Iran that he believes that the end of the world is just two or three years away." Dobson, referring to Ahmadinejad, said: "We didn't take Hitler very seriously either. I just see the parallel. The president, it seems to me, does understand this."
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job," the president said in 2004.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey told the BBC World Service in 2002 that he believed the president subscribed to end-time prophecies when "the whole world goes through a difficult time during those days of Tribulation."
Stephen Zunes, Middle East editor of the Foreign Policy in Focus project, observes that "Iraq has become the new Babylon" for Bush. In biblical Revelation, Babylon is the "great whore" representing human sin and corruption that will be destroyed to allow Jerusalem's rise and Jesus's return.
This spring, AIPAC, with the help of its end-time supporters, succeeded in removing language from a military appropriations bill that would have required Bush to get Congressional approval before using military force against Iran.
A number of members of Congress, recent and current, have been explicit about their end-time views. High-profile end-time politicians include: former House Majority Leader Tom Delay; former Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey; former Senate Majority leader Bill Frist; current Republican Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell; former House Speaker Dennis Hastert; Senator Sam Brownback.
When Tom Delay was asked by an end timer, "How much of an inspiration is the Second Coming in your support for Israel?", he answered, "Obviously, it's what I live for. Really. I hope it comes tomorrow."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
Most info in this post from here:
Page not found - Truthout

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molbiogirl
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Message 118 of 241 (444542)
12-29-2007 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by tesla
12-29-2007 6:46 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
however the presidents power is limited by congress
This president has circumvented Congress on a number of issues, including the invasion of Iraq.
wiki writes:
Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War" (and) ... The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (Pub.L. 93-148) limits the power of the President to wage war without the approval of the Congress.
Congress did not declare war with Iraq.
wiki writes:
The February 6, 2006, testimony of Alberto Gonzales to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on Wartime Executive Power and the National Security Agency's Surveillance Authority, however indicates otherwise:
GONZALES: There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force.
In addition, this president has abused presidential power on a number of occasions.
George W. Bush ordered the National Security Agency to wiretap the foreign calls of American citizens without seeking court permission, as is indisputably required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), passed by Congress in 1978...
Page not found | The Nation
Bush has argued that "as Commander in Chief he possesses "inherent" authority to suspend laws in wartime." Any law. With no oversight. Period.
Bush has also expanded the powers of the Executive Branch to an alarming degree, usurping the powers of the Legislative Branch.
Like Nixon said, "When the President does it, that means it's not illegal."
And -- since this President holds End Times beliefs, consults End Times prophets, relies on End Times advisors -- there is ample reason to be concerned.

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molbiogirl
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Message 125 of 241 (444570)
12-29-2007 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by tesla
12-29-2007 8:44 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
that's absurd.
Only the President can authorize a nuclear missile launch.
A military aide is near the president 24 hours a day with the football (the briefcase containing the codes and machinery to authorize launch of the United States' nuclear weapons). In the event of an act of war against the United States that would require a nuclear response, the president would turn to the aide and open the briefcase to initiate the protocols that authorize the military nuclear chain of command to launch strategic missiles at preselected enemy targets.
The president enters a personal-identification number (PIN) assigned to him by the National Security Agency (NSA), the service based at Fort Meade, Md., responsible for electronic intelligence and cryptography. That PIN allows the president to authenticate himself as the commander in chief. The authentication code generated through the PIN proves to military leaders and the men on the nuclear platforms that the order is genuine and that the president has activated the launch-authorization codes to let fly the missiles.
http://findarticles.com/...cles/mi_m1571/is_7_17/ai_72328612
The launch happens within minutes.
You wanna point out where in that scenario someone might intervene? Aside from wholesale mutiny, I mean.

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molbiogirl
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Message 128 of 241 (444586)
12-29-2007 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by tesla
12-29-2007 10:09 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
yes but as the article points out: not exclusively.
Wrong. The President, alone, makes the decision. Period. End of sentence.

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molbiogirl
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Message 130 of 241 (444588)
12-29-2007 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by tesla
12-29-2007 11:14 PM


Article didn't say what you thought it did, huh, Tesla?
however, i believe the sharing of powers designed in our government make such an assertion silly.
To repeat: the balance of power HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A NUCLEAR LAUNCH.
The President has exclusive authority.
If you think otherwise, prove it.
ABE:
In the past, command and control of nuclear weapons was in the hands of dozens of people.
In the 1950s, Ike predelegated launch authority to top military commanders.
The situation remained unchanged until the 1980s.
Which means: for over 30 years, dozens of people had the ability to initiate worldwide thermonuclear war.
The documents show that in January 1963, McNamara told other U.S. officials that he worried that a designated commander might confuse an accidental nuclear launch or explosion with an all-out attack. This problem convinced him only the President should "decide to launch in response to an apparent nuclear attack."
19980319
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molbiogirl
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Message 132 of 241 (444592)
12-29-2007 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by tesla
12-29-2007 11:53 PM


Grow up, Tesla.
DEFCON status has nothing to do with the decision to launch.
And the command and control procedures are classified you ninny.
All we know, and all we will know, is that the President has SOLE COMMAND.

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molbiogirl
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Message 134 of 241 (444596)
12-30-2007 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by tesla
12-30-2007 12:08 AM


Re: impending issues
Your belief, of lack thereof, have no bearing on the truth of the matter at hand.
I suggest you read the link I provided:
Recently declassified U.S. government documents, now published by the National Security Archive, disclose one of the Cold War's deepest secrets, that during the most dangerous phases of the U.S.-Soviet confrontation during the early 1960s top military commanders had presidentially-authorized instructions providing advance authority to use nuclear weapons under specified emergency conditions. The documents show that President Eisenhower approved "predelegation" instructions in late 1959 so that top commanders would have the authority to make a rapid nuclear response if a Soviet attack on Washington killed national command authorities, such as the President. The instructions remained in place in "basically the same" form through the 1960s, although information on the later period and the current situation is still classified.
ABE:
Nuclear Command and Control (NC2). The exercise of authority and direction by the President, as Commander in Chief, through established command lines, over nuclear weapon operations of military forces; as Chief Executive over all Government activities that support those operations; and as Head of State over required multinational actions that support those operations. Authority and direction are exercised through the NCCS.
http://www.fas.org/...guide/usa/doctrine/dod/dodd-3150_6.htm
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