Does the evidence support the Flood? (attn: DwarfishSquints)

My wrong what? The Antarctica ice which is in the water DISPLACES the water it is in by roughly the same amount it contains. That's how displacement works.Here's an experiment to prove it. Take a glass, fill it half full with water. Place in an ice cube. Now mark the water level in the glass (not the top of the ice, just where the water stops).Let the ice melt. Check the water level.Is it the same as you marked? Yes, because the density of ice matches the displacement in the water.As such if all of the NON-land Antarctica ice melted it may raise or lower world water levels by an inch or two, but not by 60 meters.However, if the LANDBASED ice in Antartcita melted, it would significantly contribute to worldwide water levels. States like Florida would be in a lot of trouble.States like Colorado, however, would not. It's simply not enough water to raise sea levels high enough.More importantly, I'd like to point out an interesting statement in your post - so I'll quote it again.

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And we are just coming out of an ice age so all the continents are
being pushed up out of the water and have been ever since the flood.

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You are claiming that there was a Biblical Flood. Which means you are a YEC and that the Earth is ~6000 years old.However, you are ALSO claiming that we are coming out of an ice age.When, EXACTLY, was this ice age? During the Flood? During the Exodus?Can you give us the timeline you are using for these events? It's impossible for us to guess, since it's not based on any observable evidence.Was the Ice Age _before_ or _after_ Jesus?

(emph added) Are you having trouble with your reading comprehension? I SPECIFICALLY differentiated between Antarctica ice which is on land verses ice which is on water.I don't want to have to resort to calling you dishonest, but this is two posts in a row where you've mischaracterized my points.Either you are doing it deliberately, or you're not a very good reader. True, you COULD believe that the Earth was created 4.5 billion years ago. HOWEVER, you can NOT claim that there was a Flood AND that it occurred outside of the 6,000 year time scale.That's because the Bible is clear who about begot who and when. If Noah was in the Flood, and Noah is a descendant of Adam and a ancestor of David, then Noah COULD NOT have lived 20 Million years ago, or whenever. WHEN? Did the Bible just forget to mention it? Where is your evidence for this reasoning?Further, we KNOW that the Native American groups which were IN the US during the last Ice Age are the forefathers of CURRENT Native American groups (both from DNA evidence and linguistics).Since the "Flood" killed everyone, this is a big problem for your claim. You think? Come on, you can do a lot better than that. This is you fantasy, you aren't bound by any evidence. You aren't beholden to the truth. You should be able to tell us what day of the week the Flood started.

Alright, you got me.I honestly thought you were a Creationist, not someone sarcastically mocking Creationists.Russell's Law in full effect I suppose.Well done. I really couldn't tell the difference.

Because, if it was all underwater and there were things in the water, they would settle out. It's a process which has been happening continuously and is easily observable.He is NOT suggesting that the same material be in the same proportions everyone at the same time.However, if the ENTIRE WORLD were flooded, that would create A LOT of debris which would ALL settle out ALL across the world.Since we KNOW the potential date range of the Flood, then we can look at the deposits and find this layer.For example, in areas with seasonal deposits of wash off mountain ranges, we can see layers put down by the annual spring thaw followed by layers of different material during the rest of the year. In this way, like the rings of a tree, we can count backwards.Since the Flood had to have happened in the last 6,000 years, and since through various deposits we can go back 10-12 thousand years, a sudden layer of extreme deposits SHOULD be easy to find.If not in one particular location, then certainly in another. It should be in virtually every geographic formations everywhere.However, no such layer exists.And since no such layer exists, we're left with two possible conclusions.a) No Flood.
b) It was a "Magic!" Flood which left no evidence whatsoever.

I said the same thing when they tried to teach me addition. I figured it out for myself. 2+2=22. Simple.I just don't understand why everything I try and calculate comes out wrong. But, it DOES all end up ON the driveway in the SAME LAYER.In other words, if you did a cross section you would see: Bedrock, Sand, Clay, Dirt, Driveway, Bunch of junkif you did the same cross section elsewhere, you would still see Driveway, Bunch of Junk.And again somewhere else: Driveway, bunch of junk.The "bunch of junk" would ALWAYS be on top of the driveway layer no matter where you looked at it.There is no "bunch of junk" layer all over the world representing the "Magic!" flood.

Noah's lineage is recorded in the Bible, along with a painstakingly boring account of how long people lived.These ages do not add up to 10,000 years ago.Since the Bible is the one and only source of data for the Flood, you are prohibited from excluding parts of the Bible you find inconvenient.Either the Bible is evidence, or it's not evidence. It can't be "somewhat" evidence.

How are you "thinking for yourself"? You act like you invented the idea of a flood.You are discarding a systematic approach for weeding out incorrect informations because it's "conformist" and are instead substituting a belief in "Magic!" and the say so of illiterate goat herders.That's still "conforming", you are just "conforming" to a belief system that doesn't include any of the scientific discoveries of the last 2000+ years.

Firstly, mitochondrial "eve" and Y "adam" were not a mating pair, just to be clear.Secondly, OBVIOUSLY we do not all have the "same genes" since clearly there are obvious physical difference between the various "races", not to mention different non-observable genetic markers (lactose tolerance, malaria immunity, etc).Thirdly, no it is NOT possible that everyone carries all the genes. You either have a gene or you don't. In the case of adult lactose tolerance, those groups which first domesticated cattle have it, those groups which didn't, don't.There are genetic bottlenecks which can be determined by the amount of variation in a genome.For instance we know that cheetahs went through a relatively recent and rather severe bottleneck which is why there is extremely limited variation within the cheetah species.For humans to have been reduced to a total breeding pool of 5 unique individuals (Noah, his wife, and the wives of the three sons assuming none of them were related to Noah's wife and were not sisters) all within the last 6,000 years, we should see virtually no differentiation between the "races".Further, we should see the EXACT same bottle neck in EVERY species of plant and animal since ALL these populations would have been reduced to 2 unique individuals at the SAME time.But that's not what we see. Why? Because the flood story is a myth.

If by "diversion" you mean damning evidence that there never was a "Magic!" flood, then yes.You linked 3-4 examples of things with bottlenecks.Yes, we KNOW that different species have bottlenecks. That's why were able to discuss the topic.However, the problem you are facing is that ALL SPECIES of plants AND animals should ALL have the SAME LEVEL BOTTLENECK at the SAME TIME IN THE PAST.THAT is REQUIRED by the Flood myth.Don't exist. Why?

Which fish would those be? The salt water ones who died during the influx of fresh water? Or the fresh water ones who died when the brackish water killed off the fresh water plants they need to survive? No, what you have a species which have adapted, typically in tidal estuaries or river spawning.If you took a goldfish and put it in a salt water tank, it would be belly up in a day.If you took a bluefish and put it in a fresh water tank, it would be belly up in a day.Citing the tiny percentage of fish who CAN survive in both kinds of water as evidence that ALL fish survive in both kinds of water is just more of the dishonesty we've come to expect from people pushing their religious agenda.

When you stop arguing that there was a Biblical Flood. New Orleans is a good example of stagnant water. The waves breached the levees and quickly flooded into the low laying areas. The damage was caused by soaking not rushing water. Very few houses or cars were moved, let alone "swept away". The force of the water simply was not that great.However, the water did fill up the basin.People are down there clearing out houses. I watched an episode of "Dirty Jobs" where the host was knocking down walls.In the episode the dragged a washing machine out of a garage which had been closed at the time of the flood.So, here we have an enclosed garage, a washing machine standing 4-5 ft tall, and a basin within the washing machine.When they overturned it, brown mud slid out.How did the mud get INTO the garage then UP INTO the washing machine given that the water itself outside wasn't "rushing", and certainly wasn't rushing INSIDE the garage.The mud settled out of the water, because THAT'S how sedimentation works. Right, not even "Noah". That's because this has NEVER happened. By the way, didn't you just say a few posts ago that there weren't any mountains back then? What "higher elevations" do you mean?Either way, the point you are missing is that he's not talking about a sediment layer which is the same thickness everywhere, but rather one which is chronologically the same place everywhere.IF there were a world wide flood, it would have been EVERYWHERE at the same time. Therefore, we should be able to find evidence for it EVERYWHERE dating to the same time.We don't.

First, there is NO C14 in diamonds, fossils or coal. Fossils aren't made of carbon, and both diamonds and coal are old enough that ALL the c14 would be missing.When there is NO C14 left in an object, all the C14 test will tell you is that the object is at least 35,000 years old.Claiming that that means the Earth is 35,000 years old is EXACTLY like saying that everyone you've ever met is 1ft tall because you only had a ruler with which to measure them.Guess what. A 1ft long ruler is NOT LONG enough to tell you how tall someone is. Likewise, c14 dating is NOT LONG enough to tell you how old coal deposits are.C14 is EXCELLENT at what it does - dating prehistorical/historical archaeological finds which are younger between 30,000 and 100 years old. That's EXACTLY what you are doing here.In this case, I think it is out of your own ignorance on dating methods. However, I strongly suspect that you got your information from AiG, et al.These websites don't have the ignorance excuse. They DELIBERATELY misuse dating methods to confuse hapless Christians.They are notorious for using potassium dating to measure recent items and carbon dating to measure ancient items.If carbon dating is a 12 inch ruler, then potassium dating is a car's odometer.You can't get an accurate measure of how tall someone is with an odometer either. All you can say is "less than 1/10th of a mile".The real thing you should be considering now is this:Why do these pro-creation websites DELIBERATELY misuse the dating techniques? Why fabricate evidence which deliberately misleads Christians in favor of their argument?Here's a tip: When someone is lying to try and convince you of something, it means they don't have any real evidence in support of their position and they know it.

Oh, there's WAY more than "one" problem with that model.Here are just a few:1) Even the FASTEST breeders don't breed NEARLY fast enough to feed the carnivores.I don't know what the gestation period is for rabbits but it's A LOT longer than the "I'm getting hungry" period for wolves, coyotes, eagles, badgers, foxes, lynxes and whatever else also eats rabbits.2) Several species eat very restricted diets - Pandas eat bamboo, Koalas eat eucalyptis. These plants simply wouldn't exist in the quantities needed fast enough to provide the animals with food.3) Repopulating the Earth may have been on all the animals minds, but some of them had a LONG way to go first. The vast majority of the world's marsupials live in Australia. They would have had to haul ass from the Middle East to get there and set up camp. And, they would have had to pull up the bridge behind them to prevent ALL the placental mammals from following them.Not to mention the fact that the lemurs would have had to make a beeline for Madagascar, and the various N and S American species to their respective homes.4) Many animals aren't "good breeders". Elephants, for example, produce only one young and spend a long time raising it to sexual maturity. Starting with only two elephants, it would take literally centuries just to get enough of a population for the various groups to head off to Asia, India and Africa to settle the three currently existing populations. And that's assuming NO predation, NO disease and NO accidents.There's 4 right off the top of my head. I'm sure anyone else here could rattle off another 10 or so without blinking an eye.

I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but the entire Earth is not one giant "slope".What you are describing would produce a specific "jumbled" deposit.That deposit would be EVERYWHERE in varying depths, and it would ALL date to the same time.That jumbled world wide chronologically identical layer simply doesn't exist.

If we're talking about the same Flood, namely the one in Genesis, then yes, in fact, the Bible is the one and only source of information about the Flood.There is no physical record. There is no biological record. There is no historical record (outside of the Bible).AND, if there WAS a historical record, its very presence would DISPROVE the Bible's claims about the Flood, since ONLY Noah and his kin survived.