Gay Marriage

That one blew by me like fairy dust.”HM

No I don't. I advocate getting the state out of the marriage business altogether. Let the churches, YMCAs, pet shelters, Wicca covens and hippie communes marry people if they want to. And let the the state remain in the business of granting civil unions, even same-sex civil unions to those who have suffered worse than the slaves under Simon Legree.So ya wanna talk about equal treatment under the law?”HM

You've nailed me on that one. I had forgotten the negative public attitude against interracial marriage in 1957, the year I graduated from high school. Thanks for the history lesson.”HM

But I said I favored state-sanctioned civil unions for gays, but not state-sanctioned marriages for them. What's so bad about that if everything else is equal? And I also explained why the state should get out of the marriage business altogether. What more do you want from me? What questions haven't I answered?”HM

Well, it may be a horrible, horrible argument right now, or maybe not. However, I predict that it will become a matter of choice for them when the causes of gayness are understood and effective means for correction are improvised. If science can turn a man into woman, as a matter of choice, then science should be able to turn a homo into a hetero, if not now then soon. After that, homosexuality will be purely a matter of choice. However, the appropriate therapy has not yet been discovered, mainly because science doesn't know yet what causes homosexuality. The jury is still out this matter of choice.
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BeagleBob says it all (again, with feeling!): Isn't reason a wonderful thing?”HM

Rrhain, everything I ever said about "gay marriage" seems consistent to me. Thanks for taking the trouble to verify that.”HM

You've tuned in a little late, Moosie. Let me clarify my position:1. I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman ” take a another look at the sexual parts that constitute the act of marriage.2. Get the government out of the marriage business. Let the churches, etc., do that, and let them do that to anybody or any thing they choose, because I don't care what religions do, only what the government does.3. Let the gays get civilly united by the government, and let them go to a church, etc. if they want to get "married."4. The simplest solution is to take the word "marriage" out of the law.5. Long live George Carlin.”HM

Rrhain, you're not paying attention: What is separate about the law if it gets out of the marriage business? There is nothing separate at all if both gays and striaghts are allowed to have the civil unions they desire. You make yourself look like a bigot for arguing otherwise.”HM

Please stop it! You'll have every gay person on these boards goin' nuts over this. But at least they won't have to deal with unwanted pregnancies, just unwanted soreness up the ol' wazzu.”HMEdited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.

But where is the inequality if the government got out of the marriage business and issued only civil unions to both gays and straights?”HM

FO, what do you care if some church decides to marry squirrels to raccoons? How about old ladies to their cats? Or how about Chuck to Larry? All of that is entirely OK with me. The only problem I have is with the LAW deciding to marry squirrels to raccoons, old ladies to cats, and Chucks to Larrys.If the government got out of the marriage business there would be no need for discussions like this...and the First Amendment would be upheld.”HM

Nosy, you could be right about everything you say. You take the meaning of "marriage" more liberally than I do. We just don't share opinions on this matter, and neither one of us is a bigot for that. Marriage, to me, is and always will be between a man and a woman. I have not said that gays should not be granted civil unions. Let it be a legal thing for them and leave it there. But why does it need to be a "marriage"? Why, if civil unions do the legal trick?Answer: Because gays want respectability for disrespecting heterosexual traditions. They're in your grill like an alien pod.What has happened here, effectively, is that the gay movement has degraded the meaning of marriage but denying that it is only a heterosexual affair. When heterosexuals say "marriage" is only between a man and woman, but also say it's OK with them is gay get civilly united, I don't see why they are wrong or bad or bigoted or anything. And I don't see how it relates to blacks and their interracial marriages. To me, it's an insult to black people to make such a comparison.”HM

Not yet. Not until it is so well understood that it can be "corrected" if one should make that choice. I'm afraid I still suspect that if Chuck and Larry should raise little Bobbie into manhood, then little Bobbie would be more likely to turn out gay. And I have to ask if this is a good thing for little Bobbie. I don't believe there are enough scientific data on this matter to know what really happens to little Bobbie.Interracial marriage is one thing society eventually got used to, but I'm not yet ready to invite Chuck and Larry over to dinner. And I guess that makes me a bigot. However, I'm not yet ready to invite Tom and his three wives over to dinner, or Clarence and his sheep over to dinner, either. That must make me even a bigger bigot.”HM

But why aren't civil unions enough for legal purposes? After that it's cake all the way down. I can't keep up with Rrhain. He's a rocket scientist.”HM