My "Beef" With Atheists

C'mon subbie, I don't feel like digging up the stats, cause I shouldn't have to.You know how finely tuned the Universe is to work in harmony with itself. You know how finely tuned life is to exist. You know how perfectly placed our planet is so that life can even survive.Everything fits like a puzzle. If you think otherwise, that's fine. I just don't agree.

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Good one. Do you think anyone will notice?

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What's that supposed to mean? I thought it was pretty good myself.

Nice ad hominem...Should I state it more clearly? For the purpose of this argument, in relation to the creation of the Universe, if there was no intelligence involved, that is as good as nothing, atleast in my book. What is so wrong with that? So it could have been a speck of dirt, or it could have been a candy cane, it doesn't matter... its the equivalent of nothing as far as this argument goes.

I would never make such a statement. How can you even dare categorize what I said with this preposterous statement? It might make sense to suggest ... Why? Because meaning makes sense. Atleast to me... how about you? I mean, wouldn't you think it would make more sense that our world/universe had meaning, than if it didn't?And I'm not here to discuss the improbabilities of our existence. Go read a book if you want to learn about that.So... If an atheist wants to tackle the question I asked Rahvin, this would be much more relevent and progressive.

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That makes your book shitty.

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Good, I don't want you to read it.Have fun continuing to pick apart semantics and dodging the issue. That'll get you places.Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.

Great. Now, Yes or No. Must I restate the question?---And for you to suggest that this... is even in the same class/category/realm/dimension/universe as this... in other words... Are you kidding me? Where's the logic and rationale in that. Honestly, I thought you're better than that. To compare my legitimate question with such rubbish, is just plain... rubbish. Is that the best you've got? You've certainly knocked yourself down a few pegs. And I'll give you an answer to that one. "No." Quite easy. I guess I'm a "fairy" atheist. And damn proud.---Don't be afraid to answer. Just answer yes or no. Until you do so, we can't go further. You can be an atheist. That's 100% your right. Just like I'm a fairy atheist. You just have to answer.

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"I want to know, if I can live with what I know... and only that."

Yeah, you're example was just about as bad as it gets. I mean, awful. Incorrect. The world would perhaps be a better place if this was the case. But ebola as a sandwich spread has nothing to do with "making sense." In fact, a virus as a sandwich spread makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Keep trying.

Hey Catholic Scientist, pat yourself on the back and start keeping score. Hopefully that will help with your complex.But it has no place here.

I chose not to bother refuting everythin you say, because I know how it can tend to go on and on, and back and forth for seemingly forever. Don't worry, the "twists" are in fact there.But I will go back and forth with what I choose (in interest of time and life), so please, answer my question, and we'll start there. Gee, so you answered with that one. Great, now go back to the first one. No waffling!Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.

No and incorrect! He has not clearly answered yes or no, to a yes or no question.It's as if I asked him 'if the sun is hot', yes or no, and he waffled around, giving some long dissertation, when all he was doing was dodging the question. The exact opposite of a clear answer, which he did give concerning the spaghetti monster. You must think I'm dumb. Ever heard of something like "go ahead, give yourself a pat on the back..." after said individual has already given themself a proverbial "pat on the back".Did you come here just to sound dumb or attempt to be condescending? Well, you've exceeded in both, which is a disgusting combo.Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.

I already told you scientist, I'm not arguing semantics with you.If you want to dodge the issue, that's fine. Just do it somewhere else.

Remove the rafter from your own eye, before you even attempt to extract one from your neighbors.In stating my question, I made it very clear it required a yes/no answer. He could answer either way, and then go on to explain why he chose that answer, but it needed to be yes/no. Nothing too hard about that. I did it. He did it with the spaghetti monster, but he couldn't do it with the "intelligence." That's because he didn't want to. Explain how 'waffling your way through an answer' is "clear". Maybe you need to start looking up definitions too. I think for you, it comes down to the lack of an ability to read. Just go back, give it another shot, you might get it this time. God, I hope you're not working on anything of consequence, with the drivel you've shot my way.Forgive.Oh, and cavediver, are you an atheist. Would you like to answer my question (yes/no) and stimulate debate?Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.

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"I want to know, if I can live with what I know... and only that."

You've certainly just befuddled me. Are you using sarcasm? Please be more clear.Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.

I'm sorry, I won't stand back and let you mock me, regardless of the consequences. So go ahead and ban my a$$ if you'd like.And I don't even think he implied "no" he just couldn't answer a simple yes or no question, with a "yes" or "no." Pity.'I suppose 'the existence of the universe suggests nothing more than the existence of the universe.'' Are you kidding me? (And this is not yes or no) All he did was re-state a statement. Classic atheist fodder. They cannot produce a real answer to the question because it means they're either admitting there's enough evidence to suggest an intelligence, which makes them agnostic or deistic (something they don't like, or want to be), and if they say "no..." you just don't sound too smart, because it's pretty easy to determine that the reality we interpret is suggestive enough of an intelligence to make atheism an irrational faith.I welcome my martyrdom. Just remember, that's what always starts the movements. Edited by Watson75, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : This message triggered in a [url=http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=36&t=5&m=347#347]4 day suspension.4 day suspension.[/color]

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"I want to know, if I can live with what I know... and only that."

Interesting, I completely, and utterly disagree. I think most people would agree with me on this one as well, upwards of most of the world.But hey, I gotta respect your view, as crazy as it may seem to me and others. Good debate.But you know, that is my "beef."