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Author Topic:   My "Beef" With Atheists
Agobot
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Message 62 of 123 (482635)
09-17-2008 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Watson75
09-17-2008 2:51 AM


I see your topic is influenced by a topic i posted earlier titled "God is dead". Here are a few remarks I have that will probaly clear your misunderstandings with the atheists:
1. The fact the universe does not make sense without a God does not mean there has to be a God. It can exist without making any sense to our human logic, as we are so desperately small, meaningless and insignificant to the Universe.
2. There doesn't have to be a purpose for the universe to exist. It's mind boggling but we have to accept things that don't make sense to our feeble logic. We are nothing more than mould on a ball of dust rotating in space.
If you are able(it's hard) to wrap your head around these notions, you might be able to resolve your personal conflicts with atheism and reality.

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Agobot
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Message 67 of 123 (482685)
09-17-2008 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by kongstad
09-17-2008 7:56 AM


kongstad writes:
And in what way are we small and insignificant to the universe?
In every way. In what way do you think we are significant to the universe?
Konstad writes:
Does the universe perceive meaning? Doesn't this require intelligence? Are you claiming that the universe is intelligent?
Why does the universe have to possess intelligence to say that we are insignificant to its existence? Don't you know that the universe survived for a fucking 13.7 billion years without us? How significant do you think you are for the universe?
The rest of you post makes even less sense.
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Agobot
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Message 70 of 123 (482748)
09-17-2008 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by kongstad
09-17-2008 6:37 PM


kongstad writes:
So the universe doesn't care about, because, well, the universe isn't the sort of thing that cares about anything. The universe didn't care about the Big Bang, it doesn't care whether there will be a big crunch, since it cannot care any more than a grain of sand can.
So no we are not insignificant to the universe, the universe is unable to perceive, so its a categorical error to try to anthropomorphize the universe by assuming significance has any meaning in that context.
Yes, you are right about the wording, but still the universe is expanding and changing(galaxies are colliding, stars are turning to neutron stars, etc.). There are processes that have been taking place in the Universe at any moment in time for the last 13.7 billion years. These processes will continue whether we survive as species or if we go the path of the Dinosaurs. We are very insignificant to the processes that take place in the Universe. "Insignificant" is even somewhat an understatement, we are completely and totally worthless and irrelevant to their unfolding.
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