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Blue Jay
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Message 19 of 123 (482529)
09-16-2008 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Watson75
09-16-2008 9:49 PM


Hello, Watson75.
I don't believe we've ever had the privilege of conversing.
Watson75 writes:
So I would have to ask, what is unreasonable about this stance?
I say it's this part:
Watson75, message 1, writes:
Because of its very existence. In a world of "something" it hardly seems reasonable to assert that 'it came from "nothing"' as some sort of self evident truth. Therefore, to suggest that "something" came from "something" can be construed as a more reasonable stance. Of course, neither can be proven or dis-proven at this time.
Okay, so this part, in and of itself, is not problematic. But, the problem comes in when you take it as proof of a higher power. Atheists will generally believe in physical laws and the Big Bang as an alternative explanation to a God-created universe, and you have somehow construed this to be a belief that the universe comes from nothing (I'm not sure what you meant by putting "nothing" in quotation marks---if you didn't mean nothing, literally, then you don't really have an argument).
And, as far as I can tell, "physical laws" and "a densely-packed, pea-sized point of matter" count as "something" just as much as "God" or "an intelligent designer" does, so your argument that atheists say, "it came from nothing," is completely invalid (unless by "nothing"---in quotes---you meant "something," in which case your argument is... still invalid, I guess).
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I have a tendency to confuse people on this forum with my peculiar standing in the debate, so I'll get it out of the way quickly:
I am a theist. But, I have spent years trying to find rational arguments for God, and have still found none. I hold out hope that God is somehow going to appear in the picture somewhere, but, until an irrefutable argument comes along, I won't get my hopes up too highly.

-Bluejay
Darwin loves you.

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